Diana being a diver should get some kind of magic pen/true damage in her kit

Rozair · 2017-01-27T10:56:10.067Z

A way to do this without making her op would be when she lands her Q and then uses R. Just saying, every other Diver has shred or true damage.

Rozair·Jan 27, 2017·2 votes·707 views

A way to do this without making her op would be when she lands her Q and then uses R. Just saying, every other Diver has shred or true damage.

27 Comments

Sexy Jack RabbitJan 27, 20171 votes

To be fair Fiora is a lot closer to a Fighter/Duelist then a Diver, it's arguable though I guess.

I think Diana will see a lot of work in the Diver update. At the moment she functions kit-wise like Akali with a shield. And not so much as an actual Diver. If anything I could see them forcing Diana into a more one-sided role, and maybe shifting her Passive into AA-shred damage.

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

I would like to see more complexity to Diana. She is very limited to what she can actually do. She isn't a play making champion. While she does have a lot of burst I'm not a fan of it. I'd like to see her with consistent damage when being a bit tankier.

Sexy Jack RabbitJan 27, 20172 votes

So what you're saying is you would like to see her as a Diver haha! Her kit is quite linear yes I agree, she does have a lot of build variety though. I do miss the old Zhonya's and Abyssal Mid-lane Diana though.

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

She does but if she dives in and doesn't get a kill she's pretty much dead. Alot of the time she actually lacks the tools or damage to actually get a kill so she's been pushed out of the meta.

TheHappyReaperzJan 27, 20171 votes

Aatrox Nocturne Kled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y983TDjoglQ

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

Lol. I'm not sure how nocturne is a diver with his super long cooldown ult being his only dive. Kled has % health damage and poor Aatrox. He has sucked for an eternity. I'm not saying nocturne isn't a diver but he should also get a rework with the diver update.

TheHappyReaperzJan 27, 20171 votes

They are all classified as Divers by Rito. They are just some of the examples of divers w/o armor pen/true damage.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 27, 20171 votes

She already has assassin-level burst. While those other divers can also kill a target really fast, they can't actually one-shot them.

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

Yet a while ago when I posted about Diana being am assassin and not a diver It got downvoted to Shit.

RalanrJan 27, 20171 votes

It's because Burst is not what mainly defines an assassin. Diana has no escapes, forcing her to commit 100% to her dive for a kill.

five oh tree Jan 27, 20171 votes

Not only that, but her entire kit encourages her to stay in the fray and even build defensive items. A passive that rewards consecutive auto attacks and gives attack speed? opposite of assassin playstyle. An ability that pulls more than one person to her? Not assassin playstyle at all.

Critmaster GarenJan 27, 20171 votes

fiora isnt a diver. shes a skirmisher. theyre grouped in with assassins.

and not every diver has % pen, % shred, or true damage.

Nocturne Hecarim JarvanIV Aatrox Kled

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

Riot considers her a diver. I always thought Diana was an assassin but riot deemed her a diver.

venomous frostJan 27, 20172 votes

By definition, all assassins are also divers, since they "dive" into the enemy and get a kill, then get out.

But not all divers are assassins.

The classes are guidelines, and interchangeable.

The argument that "assassins always have an escape" doesn't hold, as rengar didn't have a way out before the rework, evelynn doesn't have a way out,...

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

Evelynn isn't considered an assassin... Stupidity enough. Riot stated she was a diver in the assassin rework.

RalanrJan 27, 20171 votes

With how her current kit works, yes. They want to push her to more of an assassin style.

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

I hope so. Although she could be considered an assassin because her w refreshes with kills or assists.

Sexy Jack RabbitJan 27, 20171 votes

Kled's W is % Shred, it's max health damage.

Critmaster GarenJan 27, 20171 votes

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Kled's W is % Shred, it's max health damage.

max health % physical damage. not the same as % armor shred or true damage, what the op was referring to.

RozairJan 27, 20171 votes

It's still more closely relative than that fact that Diana does not have any of this.

HyperiönJan 27, 20171 votes

She doesn't need this when she can 1 shot the back line.

RalanrJan 27, 20171 votes

Isn't Kled a skirmisher?

Critmaster GarenJan 27, 20171 votes

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Isn't Kled a skirmisher?

would honestly surprise me. his entire theme is more balls to the wall going in on the enemy, than dancing around him.

RalanrJan 27, 20171 votes

Though Jousting seems like both a diving ability and a "dance around" ability.

Critmaster GarenJan 27, 20171 votes

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Though Jousting seems like both a diving ability and a "dance around" ability.

i always just saw it as a sticking tool. running into the enemy, and being able to reactivate it to follow when he tries to get away.

similar to how warwicks new q works.

who coincidentally is also a diver without penetration or shred.

ProtestantCaesarJan 27, 20171 votes

JarvanIV has armor shred, but your point still stands.

DedeCoCApr 26, 20171 votes

J4 has AR pen on his Q and %current HP on his passive, Kled W is %max HP and Aatrox is an abomination of a champion so really it's just Noc and Hecarim without any % pen/ shred/ pen/ %HP