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Karma Udpate 03/08/2016

Vanjie··3 votes·1,010 views

Karma

  • (R + E) shield value increased to 30/100/170/240 from 30/90/150/210

I don't understand why you are trying to shove this mass shield down our throats, when we have told you to get rid of it and replace it with the shield bomb. This ability is just a watered down version of Iron Locket Solari and is repetitive. Her kit should have something that is supportive and does damage, with the ability and when she decides to use R+E. If you don't intend to touch her by giving Karma the update she so rightfully deserves . . . after you botched it . . . . I don't understand why you are trying to shove this down our throats.

REMOVE the function for the detonating shield to proc her passive. This is one step you can do to give Karma SOME identity in this game. If you are not going to completely redo the repetitive R + E, watered down version of Iron Locket Solari, don't touch it period.

I seriously don't understand why you are trying to shove this down our throats. Instead of spending eight months on Soraka, why don't you put effort and time into this support/mage you botched with her rework. No idea what you are doing Riot.

27 Comments

REDREX72 votes

I just posted my two cents on Karma on a different thread so here it is copy and pasted. I agree with this being the wrong way to go for a buff.

She no need more defense on this spell, give her an offensive component on shield non mantra and she will be a very strong mage and support but since her offensive power is stuck on two spells (Q and W) it feels bad. Riot here are two options to make karma feel really good when going mid or support.

Option A: Give Karma's shielded allies (including her) a small ap ratio on there next auto attack or attacks for the duration of the shield. This is a simple fix and will give her more poke in bot lane and have great synergy with caitlyn, ezreal, kog maw while also giving her more reliable damage from mid lane and top and opens up damage options away from just Q or W. This also really helps jungle karma. Give it a small ap ratio of .2. And an appropriate nerf if needed is to lower the ap ratio on W, which currently as a .9 ap ratio.

Option B: Bring back her shield bomb to please the masses but adjust it accordingly to make it fit her kit. Make it have a smaller radius but give it a small aoe knock back. Making it a mini janna ulti with damage instead of heal. The knockback is really to make it worth while to mantra shield while not have levels in E. As mantra W currently feels good at all levels this with the percent missing hp regen.

Vanjie1 votes

Something better than what we have now. I don't mind it at all. :D I would prefer ANYTHING that isn't the same function as something else. Riot doesn't understand it.

Quepha2 votes

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when we have told you to get rid of it and replace it with the shield bomb.

I definitely never said that. Shield bomb is dumb.

Vanjie3 votes

Everyone has varying opinions. I can say this, I would prefer almost ANYTHING other than the current E+R. Even a completely new function with it . . . just buffing the stats . . . . does nothing to her . . . it doesn't help her kit, it doesn't help make her distinctive, and it doesn't give her anymore of an identity that she already didn't have. This is just RIot's poor excuse to say they are working on her. They are incompetent and don't listen. Useless update and champ up team. Slow in the head and in their work.

Quepha1 votes

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Everyone has varying opinions. I can say this, I would prefer almost ANYTHING other than the current E+R. Even a completely new function with it . . . just buffing the stats . . . . does nothing to her . . . it doesn't help her kit, it doesn't help make her distinctive, and it doesn't give her anymore of an identity that she already didn't have. This is just RIot's poor excuse to say they are working on her. They are incompetent and don't listen. Useless update and champ up team. Slow in the head and in their work.

Who's another mid laner that can provide an AoE speed boost for their team?

REDREX73 votes

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Who's another mid laner that can provide an AoE speed boost for their team?

Karma just lost so much damage from using mantra E though. It is just lack luster because the movement speed is only for 1.5 seconds and Karma needs levels and ap to make mantra E shield feel good. Her E needs an offensive component and she will feel really good. It sucks having only two damaging spells.

Quepha2 votes

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Karma just lost so much damage from using mantra E though. It is just lack luster because the movement speed is only for 1.5 seconds and Karma needs levels and ap to make mantra E shield feel good. Her E needs an offensive component and she will feel really good. It sucks having only two damaging spells.

Dunno about you but I play a support-mage to support my team and assist them with things other than damage. If I just wanted to blow up targets I would pick Lux or Ziggs or Xerath or Brand or Vel'koz or Veigar or Anivia or Cassiopeia or Malzahar or Karthus or Ahri or Syndra or Zyra.

Beldair1 votes

So true....though i sometimes throw Karma mid but i feel she has enough power for that still.

Quepha1 votes

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So true....though i sometimes throw Karma mid but i feel she has enough power for that still.

I think Karma is much more viable mid than support, but she is still a support-mage.

Beldair1 votes

True.

My caster support picks that i also throw mid are: Syndra, Zyra, Anivia, Orianna, and Karma. Bard and Zilean i stay support with.

Vanjie2 votes

The speed boost is not worth while at the expense of damage . . . . or better support mechanics. It's also not interesting and it is boring.

Quepha2 votes

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The speed boost is not worth while at the expense of damage . . . . or better support mechanics. It's also not interesting and it is boring.

It's funny how wrong you are.

Vanjie3 votes

Great. Agree to disagree. I don't like it and I think it is bland. It should be replaced with the old E+R that they took away because they were too lazy to deal with it . . . or . . . . this useless passive they blamed on it.

IxtaliKing2 votes

Orianna.

REDREX72 votes

What Karma can blow people up? Have you seen mantra Q?!! XD People are just saying Mantra E is lack luster when compared to her other spells but if I am reading these pbe changes then i dont know anymore. A 1.1 Ap ratio is huge on a shield when ulting.

Vanjie2 votes

I am talking about how one side of her ability should have a support function and the other side a damage one.

Sightless663 votes

That's not necessary, and it's not a major feature of her design right now. It's not going to magically fix her current design problems either. She was generic with the shield bomb and she's generic without it. It was a mediocre amount of damage that was only really good because it gave the most refresh on the manta. I'm much happier with the lower mantra CD by default and an empowered shield that's actually strong enough to save someone.

Personally, I'd rather she actually be good at saving lives, which is something she had pretty huge problems with back when the shield bomb was in the design. A much bigger shield that I can actually use to save lives works just fine for me. I'm perfectly happy to see the base and AP ratio for the big shield increased.

Vanjie1 votes

I don't. You are probably one of the few that actually like it. She already has so many mechanics in her kit that benefit a support. Riot is pushing her way to much into the support role . . . and not enough in the mage one. R+E is not unique and it is bland. It is just a speed buff with Iron Locket Solari. All of which can be accomplished with the right item builds on support. Her kit is not unique, fun, and distinctive enough.

Sightless662 votes

You are probably one of the few that actually like it.

A more accurate statement would be that I'm one of the few on the Boards that likes it. It was a pretty popular change outside of here. Her playrate went up a bit and is still higher than when she had the shield bomb. The boards are salty about it, but that's because the boards are salty by default. All change is bad change here, and anyone who doesn't agree doesn't post here because they get shouted down.

The shield bomb was mediocre. It didn't do much damage and primarily served as a mantra enabler because it gave access to a source of reliable and large-aoe damage that you didn't have it you didn't empower E. That's not interesting, and it meant that Karma didn't actually have a way to save someone when she wanted to. That was acceptable with old Karma when the shield iteself had a very high base value but couldn't be made AoE, but keeping the shield bomb when the design and numbers of the shield changed so drastically was just a bad decision. It didn't work. It's way more interesting when I can actually use the R+E for a specific purpose outside of "swing the fight's numbers by X amount while resetting manta".

Her kit is not unique, fun, and distinctive enough.

It was exactly as bland when it did have the shield bomb. That's not the solution to the problem.

Vanjie1 votes

Great. I dont like your opinion. Agree to disagree. If i want to mass shield people i will buy iron locket. Blockin you.

SirShaggy1 votes

Dude, I want to see the shield-bomb return but you're acting like a child. The guy explained his reasoning very well. No need to take it personally.

Vanjie1 votes

Like i care. If he wants to come in here and say something i dont agree with, then prepared for me to give it back. Plus he comments on almost all my threads in negative way. Get over it.

OverpoweredSoap1 votes

Riot hates Shield bomb with a passion.

They've said many times that it's very difficult to balance because it provides an offensive option while being defensive as well.

It's most likely not coming back.

Anyways, they're buffing the shields so she has another option for mantra other than Mantra Q'ing everything she sees.

Vanjie2 votes

I hardly think with all of the technology and manpower they have today, it isn't impossible. Zilean has the same function as a shield .. . . bomb. There are ways to balance it . . . Here ya go.

E

  • Remove the movement speed buff but keep the shielding. Buff the shielding here and remove the speed boost.

E+R

  • Remove the defensive capabilities and apply a temporary movement speed buff instead.
  • Instead of protecting against the enemy it does damage instead. The shield detonates after a said time and does AP damage + a BALANCED amount of Karma's AP.

This is just ONE of many ideas we have given Riot and they continue to shoot it down . . . in place of this watered down Iron Locket Solari knockoff.

Beldair1 votes

What does Zilean have that is similar to a shield bomb?

Zilean's Q is his only damaging ability, his W is a cooldown, his E is a speed boost/slow, and his ult is a revive.

Don't see a defensive/offensive shield bomb like ability.

Vanjie1 votes

Are you dense? I am talking about how he has bombs that detonate just like her shield did. That is what I am talking about. They can always remove the defensive aspect of her E+R in place of a mechanic that helps her with damage. Zilean's Q is the same as Karma's old E+R . . . in a different way.

Beldair1 votes

Replace a shield so that she does more damage?

What R+Q or tether isn't enough?

And don't call ppl dense. Scrub.

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