A guide on how to pick tanks that fits your teamcomp

The Deckowner·Aug 8, 2016·29 votes·2,948 views

If your carries are immobile dps dealers, for example Ashe, Kogmaw, xerath, velkoz, etc. Pick beefy tanks with peel so you can protect them while they dps. For example Shen, Braum, Taric.

If the carries are very mobile like lucian Ezreal etc, then it is ok to pick some engage tanks, such as J4, amumu, Maokai, etc.

If your comp is very engage focus with lots of dmg follow up protential, for example a sivir karma comp, pick hard engage champions like malphite, Sejuani, Zac etc.

If you can't identify the direction of your teamcomp(which happens quite often cuz a lot of peoole dont give two shit about teamcomp) then pick some tanks who are very well rounded, such as Gragas and Nautilus.

TL;DR Peel: Shen, Taric, Braum Engage: J4, Amumu, Maokai Hard Engage: Malphite, Sejuani, Zac Blind first pick: Gragas, Nautilus

83 Comments

Ben SharpioAug 8, 201634 votes

Heres a shorter guide on how to be a tank that fits your team comp: play any tank, buy armour, get melted late game

The DeckownerAug 8, 201623 votes

I feel sad that I can't deny what you said.

HaloDragonXAug 8, 20164 votes

item 3036 I blame this blatantly overpowered item imo.

The DeckownerAug 8, 20162 votes

black cleaver and flat armor pen on basically every ad item also contributed to it

HaloDragonXAug 8, 20161 votes

Ghostblade doesn't work well on tanks, Cleaver on the other hand.

The DeckownerAug 8, 20163 votes

ghostblade on its own might not work well, but combine that with black cleaver, duskblade, and maw...

It Hertz When IPAug 8, 20161 votes

item 3071 item 3077 You called?

Bladerunner7777Aug 8, 20164 votes

I would hope so

That's kind of the entire purpose of an ADC: so tanks aren't unkillable

and before you say "assassins melting tanks gg", show me a clip of a lategame tank being melted by an assassin in a 1v1 in a fair environment (not 20/0 zed vs 0/20 maokai)

The DeckownerAug 8, 20164 votes

but adcs just build assassin items and melt tanks anyways.

DeathBurstAug 8, 20162 votes

And? They are still ADCs, whose purpose is to melt Tanks. And they still melt you slower full build with an Assassin build.

I'll be more worried when Assassins will build like ADC and will melt Tanks too.

Troll for TrumpAug 8, 20162 votes

ADCs with kits geared towards tank-melting shouldn't be able to melt tanks in an instant. ADCs without armor pen AND without anti-tank kits( Vayne ) should not be able to kill them. Juggernauts/Bruisers/orwhatevers have no issues with melting tanks either. Assassins can have problems with tanks, but most of the meta ones don't; Fizz Ekko have %dmg and can even go tank, Zed won't kill them instantly, but tanks can't do much to him either. Talon shouldn't have issues with tanks either.

For juggernauts, Darius true dmg(passive arm pen), Garen true dmg, Irelia true dmg, Illaoi (cc can be issue) but dmg, even w/o Cleaver can offset armour(unless the tank is super fed and Illaoi is behind)

Bladerunner7777Aug 8, 20162 votes

buzz Wrong!

ADCs build crit, the highest scaling damage in the game. If it can crit, it can kill tanks.

Yes, ADCs that build Duskblade/Ghostblade can kill a lot of things once those items are completed. It's a huge early-midgame powerspike, that's why people build it. Late game, that flat armor pen is going to be useless against tanks.

In this meta, the game doesn't always go to lategame, therefore the build that favors midgame is going to be anecdotally stronger.

TL;DR

Flat armor pen kills squishies

Crit kills tanks

Midgame tanks are squishy

Therefore flat armor pen ADCs kill midgame tanks

Again, if you're going to try and convince me that tanks are "melted" lategame by flat ar pen ADCs, show me a replay and prove it

Also Irelia doesn't shred tanks in the slightest. She does flat true damage. Do your research before hating on bae

Troll for TrumpAug 8, 20161 votes

buzz Wrong!

No thanks lol.

Dmg can kill tanks, obviously, but it shouldn't just flat-out melt tanks building resistance, without any armorpen. Tanks should be able to easily resist build paths with fulldmg with no pen. Flat scaling is powerful versus squishies. If you have a youmuu's, you should never be able to melt tanks unless you are super ahead. The Tanks build enough armour at all stages of the game so that Youmuu's flat armour pen should not affect them to the point that they are being melted.

Crit kills tanks Midgame tanks are squishy

No. Midgame tanks have armour to offset the dmg, and aren't squishy. They're squishy LATEGAME in relativity to everyone else, because during lategame, people have the itemization to deal with them. They're strong midgame. Crit and flat dmg should not melt tanks. %Armour pen will.

Again, if you're going to try and convince me that tanks are "melted" lategame by flat ar pen ADCs, show me a replay and prove it

Didn't say lategame. Flat armour pen and full crit should not melt tanks.

Yasuo hits 100% crit way faster, even before tanks are fully optimized, and even then, they take no dmg, except when Yas ults, BECAUSE it gives %armour pen(bonus)

Also Irelia doesn't shred tanks in the slightest. She does flat true damage. Do your research before hating on bae

It's still true dmg. The true dmg falls off lategame, but early game, people have lower health bars. The true dmg is a lot more impactful then, and it invaldates building armour. To deal with the true dmg, you can't build Thornmails; You need hp early on. You have less armour, and wil ltake more AD dmg, which Irelia also does.

Bladerunner7777Aug 8, 20161 votes

You lose all credibility for thinking Irelia "shreds" tanks

If you think you're right then show me a replay of Irelia shredding a tank

Troll for TrumpAug 9, 20161 votes

You lose all credibility for thinking Irelia "shreds" tanks

Quite pretentious, huh.

If you think you're right then show me a replay of Irelia shredding a tank

Did you even read what I said?

She can destroy tanks early on, when they have a lot less hp, so the flat true dmg can destroy them early.

Bladerunner7777Aug 9, 20161 votes

Uh, Irelia destroys everything early on, this has been a well known fact since the beginning of time.

Both Irelia and Corki (Triforce champs) are known for having one of the best midgames ever once they hit their powerspike.

Yes, tanks get destroyed early on when they have a lot less hp, like every other champion. Why should tanks be excluded from this? You want them to have 5000 hp at level 9? Tanks have to work to be tanky just like how every carry has to work to deal damage.

Troll for TrumpAug 10, 20161 votes

She has an ok early. Tanks are just punching bags for her, at least juggernauts can actually trade with her.

Tanks shouldn't get destroyed as easily as a squishy champ.

FriusAug 8, 20162 votes

literally happened to me ,4500 hp garen with 250 armor and magic resists died in 0.8 . i got focus fired facemelted

Bladerunner7777Aug 9, 20161 votes

I don't believe you

Laughing FishAug 8, 201613 votes

You forgot one:

If you want to go where you please, go DrMundo

HayRossAug 8, 20169 votes

Painfully nasally voice

"Um... ACTUALLY Snort Dr. Mundo is a juggernaut, a subclass of the FIGHTER class, not the Tank class"

KingnewgameplusAug 8, 201610 votes

And if your an asshole Ekko Akali Fizz

nice tableAug 8, 20164 votes

engage - maokai, lmao

The DeckownerAug 8, 20162 votes

maokai flash w on adc = adc dead

nice tableAug 8, 20164 votes

i mean sure, if shen flash es on a adc its same story. maokai is about as peel as it gets for a tank though, he has 3 cc abilities that are all better used for peel and his ultimate makes his team take less damage when his in middle of his team not the enemy team.

5000000000000000Aug 8, 20161 votes

I thought the same. Maokai is better at peeling but can engage too. I'd think that this would also make him a decent first pick.

dominusxAug 8, 20164 votes

A guide to playing tanks. Dont ever play tanks in dynamicQue cause the average carry is trash and you gonna waste 30mins of your life playing a boring champ

The DeckownerAug 8, 20161 votes

runic echo baby

dominusxAug 8, 20161 votes

Not enough after midgame bro lol

The DeckownerAug 8, 20161 votes

runix echo > Sunfire cape > abbysal >rylais > liandry

the secret ap build that works on most tanks.

dominusxAug 8, 20162 votes

this is an ap bruiser build not a tank build you gonna get 3 hitted by any adc after 30mins wiht this build.;p but yeh i build any of the tanks i play like this (Naut/Seju)

The DeckownerAug 8, 20161 votes

ofc i wont build this shit unless im fed as fuck lol

dominusxAug 8, 20161 votes

but im always fed af with tanks T.T ahaha

The DeckownerAug 8, 20161 votes

feelsbadman when you are a tank.jungler but all your carries sucks ass.

dominusxAug 8, 20161 votes

that why i play Graves/Kha/Rengar/Elise only xD

FBI OfficerAug 8, 20164 votes

WOWOWOWOW!!! A gameplay post that is actually useful instead of just mindless complaining. Nc1 mate

hoes and bowsAug 8, 20161 votes

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Guyy FieriAug 8, 20163 votes

For what it's worth, I think Maokai can fit very well into a peel comp as well. It's a little different play style but with how low the cd on his Twisted Advance and his ultimate, he actually does well as peel.

Tobias BracknerAug 8, 20162 votes

Can there also be a guide saying that you don't have to have a tank on your team to win the game?

The DeckownerAug 8, 20162 votes

you definitely need cc tho

Tobias BracknerAug 8, 20161 votes

Yeah, but you can get CC from non-tank champs and you don't have to build tank for CC to be good on more Bruiser-type characters

ErockandrollAug 8, 20162 votes

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Yeah, but you can get CC from non-tank champs and you don't have to build tank for CC to be good on more Bruiser-type characters

I mean, you can have champs that combined aspects of a tank, and actually play pretty effective that way. I recall a time when you had to do that, Because tanks didn't have enough damage to farm waves or Jungle camps. (At least until Cinder hulk arrived)

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juggernauts have a bit more damage and a bit less durability than real tanks, by sacrificing cc. the trade off isn't worth it, any decent players can easily kite the juggernauts.

I would find that claim to be Questionable. Garen has % Defense boost, that increases the amount of defenses he gets (Well so does Poppy) And Just about all the really good Juggernauts have powerful sustain mechanics. Many of which scale with their HP. (Mundo get's a lot of his tankyness from his regeneration.)

Though if Tanks are taking less damage, I would mainly like to think it was due to their CC chain. Because your enemies are not Attacking if they are stun locked. (Part of the reason why I like plenty on CDR on my tank builds.)

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but adcs just build assassin items and melt tanks anyways.

If your name isn't Jhin, or Lucian, (or maybe MF, but I'm not sure) just stop.

These champs build Armor pen, because their casters. Armor pen, increases their spell damage in a way that Flat AD or Crit chance does not. But if you Lucian, you have BC, which is designed to shred Armor. Also, I was reminded that Jhin's ult, has an execute tied to it. (Which is an Assassin mechanic.) So if Jhin wanted to fill the role of an Assassin, then let him build Assassin items. (And with an Execute, it will kill a Tank, if it's already missing a lot of Health.)

kasfasAug 8, 20162 votes

Lists j4 as a tank, doesn't list sion or poppy.

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Only Play DariusAug 8, 20161 votes

Also if you're playing with a low damage ADC like Sivir Ashe Ezreal you could consider locking in a juggernaut to pick up the slack on your team's damage without sacrificing your frontline

The DeckownerAug 8, 20163 votes

Sivir is actually a very high damage adc, ashe us mediocore.

also juggernauts are not tanks.

Only Play DariusAug 8, 20162 votes

Never said they were, however they are durable and synergize well with utility ADC's, for example Ashe can hold someone in place while Sivir helps Juggernauts overcome their immobility

The DeckownerAug 8, 20161 votes

juggernauts have a bit more damage and a bit less durability than real tanks, by sacrificing cc. the trade off isn't worth it, any decent players can easily kite the juggernauts.

DeathBurstAug 8, 20161 votes

hum, most Tanks are still less durable than Garen. Darius heal is insane, if you can't burst him in the delay between 2 Q. Nasus lifesteal is huge, same for Olaf. Illaoi is a bit trickier, but her tentacles heal isn't negligible either. So no, Juggernauts in general aren't really less durable than Tanks.

And as for damage, they don't bring "a bit more", they bring "a hell of a lot more". Juggernauts don't fit in every comp, but they can be great, even better than Tanks, under the right circumstances.

And Jelly Mac is right about this specific circumstance.

The DeckownerAug 8, 20162 votes

Most Tanks ARE more durable than Garen, the only tank steroid he has is some armor/mr and dmg reduction on his w, most tanks has more than that.

healing too op? ignite the motherfucker or just build executioner's calling. Like this is 2016 healing reduction is super cheap and easy.

you are underestimating the damage of a lot of tanks. Yes in some cases juggernauts seem like they do a lot of damage(retarded villain adc fighting garen in melee range), but you simply did not see how much damage tanks can do because it isn't as easy to identify. Building 1 dmg item on any tank as how.all juggernauts do will make them do a considerable amount.of damage. You just haven't seen a ROA Maokai oneshotting adc.

Out of the 3 adc he listed, Sivir and Ashe both have high dps up time and does not lack damage. I would.much rather have someone who can peel for my 500 range adc than a meatshied getting kited to hell in their backline.

MiraweaveAug 8, 20165 votes

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Also if you're playing with a low damage ADC like you could consider locking in a juggernaut to pick up the slack on your team's damage without sacrificing your frontline

How is ashe a low damage adc?

She has some of the highest DPS in the game with her Q active, and it's active basically all the time lategame.