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Why I think Sett is going to meta as an AD rather than a Juggernaut.

Illabethe·1/15/2020, 6:28:06 AM·5 votes·2,962 views

Okay. I didn't PBE Sett, but I've played him a bit tonight, and here's what I think:

He's basically got everything that Udyr lost (Along with some really strong abilities... gated behind one disadvantage:

#Mobility.

-Every part of his kit has pretty significant AD scaling, rather than base rates of increase. This leaves a heavy incentive to build AD, if possible.

-On hit items heavily play into the double tap and juking hard CC.

-Unlike Shyvana's Q, Sett's Q and Left/Right Hook do not actually have negative scaling on damage at low tiers or high tiers of investment.

-Mobility items like item 3142 item 3046 item 3078 do a REALLY good job of compensating his move speed issue, and lance into his kit REALLY well..... granting significant sheen procs, Lethality, and even more shield options (You can make him almost invincible to the jungle by taking Overheal + his W as well)

-Mobility items also offer peel, which gives more sustain that a dive juggernaut.

#-Crit items actually are a dream for his kit. He has no drawbacks to his 1-2 Punch. It's full damage, AND can crit, AND the second hit has crit-enabled second hit damage. I've taken a Crit/Triforce Udyr build and had some almost 3k 1-2 punches!

Furthermore (and here's the part Riot might be able to fix): Sett's W True damage registers as a CRIT. In other words, because of the item 3031 added mechanic in Season 8 to allow crits /True damage to heal, his W's 230 True damage to 5 champions at once can actually HEAL him.

One of the scariest builds I'm looking at right now is something like item 1413 /item 1412 + item 3078 item 3046 item 3031 item 3181

Makes for an insanely strong duelist who can solo Baron at full HP .

But more importantly: #-His combat can be adapted per game to items. In other words, item 3091 item 3142 item 3748 item 3053 item 3095 item 3800 item 3025 item 3022 can also be tossed in as well without much detriment to his build.

I'm not saying he won't have viable tanky builds. I'm suggesting for fast Juke, and both high elo and low elo, it seems like his meta direction is to build AD, not Armor.

32 Comments

Velzard of Koz1/15/2020, 10:34:48 AM4 votes

Furthermore (and here's the part Riot might be able to fix): Sett's W True damage registers as a CRIT. In other words, because of the added mechanic in Season 8 to allow crits /True damage to heal, his W's 230 True damage to 5 champions at once can actually HEAL him.

Did you actually test this or you just go by indicator? Anivia and Karthus also have abilities that "crit", but it's just visual indicator of enhanced damage and neither Omen nor Edge should interact with it. Likewise, unless you tested it and it worked, he might have the crit only visually as indicator of dealing empowered damage. Though it being True Damage is indicator in itself.

EDIT: Yup, just tested it, IE does nothing to it.

Garson2111/15/2020, 9:52:08 AM2 votes

Yup he will end building AD + Sterak simple because going tank is pointless atm

Jaspers1/15/2020, 11:14:17 AM2 votes

I think any champ (especially Juggernauts) that is manaless that builds item 3078 needs looking into but alas.

Śhunpo1/15/2020, 10:44:47 AM2 votes

He builds item 3078 -> item 3748 -> item 3053 into your typical bruiser items.

Tbh he's just Darius when it comes to his build.

aIRaymond1/15/2020, 2:30:53 PM2 votes

he has some of the worst attack speed in the game, he has no on hit steroids outside of his q, he will never be built on hit. the only thing he has a decent ad scaling on is really his R so he wont be built ad, lethality? he does true damage mate. crit? well I hope you're joking here.

forresto1/15/2020, 11:08:24 AM1 votes

I don't think pure ad is the only viable build. I've had decent success treating him as a heal tank. you take the 4% missing hp rune, get black cleaver, and then spam hp regen/tank items. He still does plenty of damage, and even without a warmogs, by late game his hp regen was over 70 per second when around half health. (I'm assuming the spirit visage bonus isn't added to your stated regen amount so it was probably more like 100 per second) Just duck out of a fight for a few seconds if you start to get low, regen 1/3 of your max hp, and duck back in. Again this is before warmogs.

Wen2941/15/2020, 9:39:23 AM1 votes

I mean it's a new champ, what's the chance riot will actually make something tanky nowadays.

Salty Mc Feed1/15/2020, 8:42:29 AM1 votes

You actually believe that?

Posui Gart1/15/2020, 11:24:53 AM1 votes

-Unlike Shyvana's Q, Sett's Q and Left/Right Hook do not actually have negative scaling on damage at low tiers or high tiers of investment.

And require more time to do

Lethality isn't that good on him because of his true damage W and because his main targets are frontliners with armor

because of the added mechanic in Season 8 to allow crits /True damage to heal

What?

230 True damage to 5 champions

Good luck hitting at least 2 champions with the middle area Also, his W scales with grit, and grit is basically damage taken up to 50% of his hp. So more health->more grit possible->more damage

He has insane autoattack damage, but his lack of mobility/range make squishy builds quite bad on him

Starcraft243ver1/15/2020, 12:57:25 PM1 votes

Well, set full AD/Crit works as well as a Nasus full AD/Crit, it's fun when you are ahead, but if they know how to react your are useless.