Shaco is still OP and annoying af playing with and against

dunder kill·4/21/2018, 5:21:52 PM·58 votes·20,180 views

Still at his normal 54% winrate with 6% pick rate

http://na.op.gg/champion/shaco/statistics/jungle http://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle?league= https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Shaco/ https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/shaco/platinum

This champ is beyond frustrating to play with and against. Please do something about him and his overloaded Q. Nobody wants this champ to be this strong until his rework which could be years away. He is obnoxious and doesn't feel fair. His Q lacks any reasonable counterplay. He quite literally one shots people with a single auto. He can cover like half the map in uncounterable invisibility with ghostblade. Please bring him down to a reasonable level

92 Comments

Who Fed Ru4/21/2018, 5:23:03 PM45 votes

inb4 shaco mains come here and call him fine

5050BS4/21/2018, 7:55:18 PM18 votes

Invisibility is too OP. It was fine when you could buy a Pink and show them but when they removed that it became toxic to the game.

There is ZERO counter play to Shaco. He can go invis before a Bush Ward and drop a box and then you are dead. No warning at all.

Warding anything close to your lane is worthless if the enemy team has shaco jungle.

Karfuss4/21/2018, 7:53:59 PM12 votes

He is fine, Kha'zix does everything he does but faster, better and has more team fight presence. Shaco is a pubstomp champion that'll just annihilate people who seem to think pushing without vision control against a fed one is a good idea, which includes 60-70% of the player base.

The problem with Shaco is that he quite easy and alongside that not very interactive. He's fed, uses Q, places a box from stealth and right clicks you to death. Is it less interactive than a Fed ADC? No not really. But I can see it as an issue. It isn't fun to play as per se (Shaco is just not fun in general if you're not fed and stomping) and it isn't fun to play against.

If you've played Smite, he is on the same pedestal as Loki. If he's fed and your team isn't placing wards, RIP team. When you group up, they'll dive your team and pray for a kill, having no means of escaping. If they kill the back line, GG, if not, 4v5 GG other team. Naturally Loki has a terrible reputation and as such, so does Shaco. In that sense Shaco is one of the healthier assassins in that, unlike Kha'zix, Katarina, Akali, LeBlanc etc, can't proceed to chain kills and dive away within seconds.

sad þoy4/21/2018, 11:12:54 PM5 votes

Shaco is only good in the hands of people who actually know how to play him. Good Shaco plays require skill, just as most good champ plays do as well. He got hella gutted not too long ago.. I think he deserves a moment in the spotlight.

L Psy Kongroo4/21/2018, 8:47:40 PM4 votes

I'd wager about 90% of the people who complain about Shaco have never actually played him.

Iźuku Midoriya4/21/2018, 11:34:54 PM4 votes

But no one is going to mention Warwick?? Sitting at a steady 54-55% winrate and a 5% playrate?

BBW Chaser4/21/2018, 6:22:30 PM4 votes

ill take shaco any time than kaisa oh you know kaisa the 56% win ratio with 20% pick ratio? yeah that kaisa with shield and half the map blink assasination..

Yeah but lets complain about shaco huh? that he is only good if the match favor him other wise he is useless...

Get real people

FrostQueensPlane4/21/2018, 8:19:39 PM3 votes

Being killed instantly from stealth in a meta where wards are the weakest they've been in a long while is good gameplay design because if you had a e girl support they can just ult him away right - riot repetoir

Gabresol4/22/2018, 9:05:53 AM3 votes

Shaco's biggest mechanic is his enemies own stupidity... If there is a Shaco in game you can spam ping your low life allies "danger" and where Shaco is all you want, they will not even think about backing down...

100hp anivia pushing turret. Shaco walk over the wars I placed. I ping and ping and ping. She had 8 secounds to just move... She kept pushing and died... And since this is most of what I see of Shaco getting kills, I cannot agree with him being to strong! His kit does not even have damage! Meaning he needs all the items he can get. Meaning he either hardcore-snowball or is useless.

SwiftKitten884/21/2018, 5:26:05 PM2 votes

i agree with the OP.. but honestly linking sites that end in .gg pretty much hurts your argument if u try to use data from them.

stick to the 4th link .. at least they don't go out of their way to blatantly falsify data

Killer of Night94/21/2018, 6:00:04 PM2 votes

Random opinion , switch some power in his W? It require at least some skill. Except for jungle camping and juke skill i fell his W damage is underpowered or almost weak even going Ap

LordNavarog4/21/2018, 7:40:58 PM2 votes

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SociopathFriend4/21/2018, 11:19:09 PM2 votes

Shaco is still OP and annoying af playing with and against

And that's why I've been steadily banning him ever since the 5 ban system was a thing. I've never liked him and find it ludicrous how people can complain about specific toxic parts of other champion kits while ALL of Shaco's abilities are toxic.

FraCro4/22/2018, 12:07:30 PM2 votes

U all forgot that item 3364 u can get at lvl 1 now...just saying...

Tundra Hunter4/22/2018, 2:04:43 AM2 votes

I think the most important factor is "annoying to play with or against". I agree: Shaco sucks to play with or against. He is one of those champs who either snowball and carry his team, or do bad and lose for his team. Also, he has very few counter play, and the clone is just straight up dumb in my opinion... Wukong is in a similar state. They need their kit to be reworked. I don't think they are OP though, just broken as in annoying to play with and against.

Warwick has clear counter play, but he is too strong early and too weak late, which could be tweaked for more balance, as it was suggested early in this PBE cycle... But they changed it to simply nerf his late game and keep his early similar, which will go in the direction of making him broken as well... as he will become a "snowball or die" champion, which is annoying to play with and against =(

GODCHIX12/11/2018, 3:19:33 PM1 votes

shaco is honestly the most annoying jgl to play against.. nerf please... smh

Arduno4/21/2018, 9:22:29 PM1 votes

6% playrate right? So the people who play him are masters in playing him right? People with decent skill who play him will destroy with him then?????

Fear the Kayn4/21/2018, 11:10:26 PM1 votes

I don't play Shaco but personally I don't really have an issue with him. Maybe they could nerf him a little bit since his winrate is high. Maybe reduce the late game invisibility time a little bit?

Kavren20554/22/2018, 5:52:45 AM1 votes

Why can't allies see which is real shaco and which is clone