A fix for Maomage syndrome

awdaf·May 12, 2017·2 votes·321 views

Change his E damage to scale with health

cured.

14 Comments

IncognonymousMay 12, 20171 votes

An actual useful solution for once. Well done, Gameplay.

Defensive scaling is a useful solution to the rife overuse of AP ratios. I think this is healthy. It would make more sense if "utility ratios" didn't scale off stats with 0 utility.

RewtMay 12, 20171 votes

no god please no. No more HP scaling shit. its so annoying when someone can get damage FROM BUILDING TANK.

They need to just change the damage from %maxHP to an actual AP scaling.

RalanrMay 12, 20172 votes

That would ruin his jungle clear.

Actually that would just kill his jungle.

RewtMay 12, 20171 votes

dude. he could clear the jungle just fine before the rework. Nothing has drastically changed to make the jungle harder to clear. If they just made it a .7 ap scaling he would clear the jungle just fine.

Right now he clears it WAAAAAY too fast for a tank jungler.

RalanrMay 12, 20172 votes

He had %max health damage on his W before his rework. They moved that to his E.

That was a drastic change. Dude.

RewtMay 12, 20171 votes

it went from 6% that couldnt be stacked to his E which could be stacked in bushes pre camp spawn and almost 1 shot the fucking camp level 1. Its bullshit.

RalanrMay 12, 20172 votes

And that's different from Shaco traps how? They basically provide the same function and give the same result. And if he's throwing so many saplings in a bush while laning, don't go near the fucking bush.

RewtMay 12, 20171 votes

1: shaco traps dont do %maxhp damage.

2: you cant kill maokai Saplings

3: They do Waaaaaaaay more damage than shaco boxes.

4: shaco boxes dont fucking chase you.

The problem with them is he can throw them pretty far over walls and put like 2 in a bush in your jungle. then when you go into your jungle all of a sudden you have 2 saplings just running at you screaming REEEEEEEE and then taking off 1/2 your HP. with 0 counterplay options. Shaco boxes can be revealed and killed. Saplings you can see, but those fuckers cant be damaged. late game they literally sit there for 70sec and if you go near them they chase you and shred your HP unless you either A: have a shield. or B: have an MS booster/Mobies

RalanrMay 12, 20172 votes

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1: shaco traps dont do %maxhp damage.

But they do fear and slow you, that alone fucks you up.

2: you cant kill maokai Saplings

You can't kill Shaco boxes until they reveal themselves. You know how many times I've thrown an AoE down in an area Shaco put a box only for it to be unharmed when it activates? Too many.

3: They do Waaaaaaaay more damage than shaco boxes.

Shaco has more damage tools. Maokai doesn't.

4: shaco boxes dont fucking chase you.

They don't need to, they fucking fear and slow you. At least you can avoid the saplings by outrunning them.

The problem with them is he can throw them pretty far over walls and put like 2 in a bush in your jungle. then when you go into your jungle all of a sudden you have 2 saplings just running at you screaming REEEEEEEE and then taking off 1/2 your HP. with 0 counterplay options.

0 counterplay? Don't face check the fucking bush and run. That's two counterplay options.

2 is more than zero.

Shaco boxes can be revealed and killed. Saplings you can see, but those fuckers cant be damaged. late game they literally sit there for 70sec and if you go near them they chase you and shred your HP unless you either A: have a shield. or B: have an MS booster/Mobies

Boots are enough to outrun them, especially tier 2.

RewtMay 12, 20171 votes

that is actually just incorrect. Unless you already have a ward in the bush and finangle the edge of their aggro range tier 2s arent enough to outrun them.

Also "dont facecheck" sure I will place my ward ON COOLDOWN in my raptors bush. my red bush AND my Blue Bush. You know while im at it why dont i just build Sightstone and have wards in every single bush on my side of the map just so i dont lose 1/2 my hp to something that maokai just did while he happened to be passing by.

RalanrMay 12, 20171 votes

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that is actually just incorrect. Unless you already have a ward in the bush and finangle the edge of their aggro range tier 2s arent enough to outrun them.

I can't say I agree but I'm not able to test it right now.

Also "dont facecheck" sure I will place my ward ON COOLDOWN in my raptors bush. my red bush AND my Blue Bush. You know while im at it why dont i just build Sightstone and have wards in every single bush on my side of the map just so i dont lose 1/2 my hp to something that maokai just did while he happened to be passing by.

Bitch please, the no face check rule applies to every champion that uses bushes with their abilities. This is hardly new and hardly something you should have to complain about cause we all have to deal with it.

Shaco, Teemo, Rengar, Nid, hell there's even a fucking mastery that gives you a bonus for taking a shit in the bush.

If you're so concerned, go grab the warding totem smite, a sweeper, and your brain so you can predict when they'll trap a bush.

RewtMay 12, 20171 votes

Shaco and Teemo shit doesnt run OUT OF THE BUSH. it stays there. and does a fraction of the damage. Im not scared of that shit. Nidalee and rengar ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE THERE.

Maokai can just casually throw a sapling over the wall and go on his way and when that 1 sapling runs OUT of the bush and hits you it cuts off around 1/4 of your HP.

Shaco places Box. I get feared and take like 150 damage.

Teemo shroom is in the bush: i take like 250 damage

Nidalee is in the bush. If i live she probably wasted like 30-45 seconds and same with rengar

Maokai casually throws a sapling over the wall into my bush without even delaying his rotation around the map. That fucker runs out of the bush does (in early/mid game) 200 damage + 16% of my maximum hp.

Also a little fun fact the ward range is shorter than the aggro range. so when you go to ward you are almost guaranteed to get nailed by one of those fuckers.

Maokai saplings are beyond overpowered right now and need that stupid ass %max health bullshit taken off of them. His jungle clear is WAAAAY too good for a tank jungler and he also has some of the strongest Jungle harass in the game without ever actually being in your jungle.

The problem is that shit does so much damage without any scaling needed at all. at max rank the E does 16% of your max hp. and for every 100ap he gets another 4% of your max HP taken off. Thats insane!

RalanrMay 12, 20171 votes

You're acting like it's true damage.

Maokai's saplings are getting nerfs last I checked, but it isn't going to be removing the %max health damage and that's not the reason why it's too strong (it's scalings probably are).

You can outrun them. I've done it a lot, it's not fucking hard. Hell, you can trick them to hit something else if you path it correctly! They aren't that smart.

I don't believe the ward range is shorter than their aggro range. I need proof for that.