gee golly jeepers I sure can't wait to play support Lulu with no mana pots.

: Yup mana pots benefit other champions more then me. GL laning against me now if you use mana :)

Don't lose your shit, they're changing base mana and regen to balance it out.

Don't forget the others: Nami, Sona, Soraka, Janna, Zilean... even the mage supports, like Zyra, Lux, Morg and Orianna.

They all have some hefty costs, and benefit a LOT from mana potions to stay in lane long enough. But hey, they're gonna 'change mana and regen,' even though I'm pretty sure making that more efficient goes against their previous statement of having mana champs worry about mana early and less late game. Mana potions cost should just be upped like health potion. I really don't see the problem with it being in the game.

^^^ This.

Mana pots only allow mage types to sustain slightly longer against these kinds of champions till they're forced to back...they somewhat ease the disparity. Even now with mana potions the best you can hope for is an even loss in lane (backing at the same point a forced off lane zed is). If you don't manage to push them off lane, you back to disparity in CS and wave push.

As an evenly matched mana champion against a non-mana champion there WAS one way to get the upper hand in lane: If you could do more damage to your lane opponent than they could heal with their small number of health pots, you could gain a lane / CS advantage. The loss of mana potions makes this forumla almost moot. Whereas Zed can purchase health potions and have an infinite mana supply, with enough damage to cause a lot of pain, a Mid-lane mage (for example) cannot continue increasing their mana to keep up with Zed's sustain in HP. Without mana a Mid-lane mage folds and gets manhandled by Zed's damage.

What this means is Zed buys health potions and then waits. The best the mid-lane mage can hope for is to play a passive farm lane till they run out of mana, get pushed off lane by Zed going aggressive, and then get wave pushed/lose CS to Zed's continued sustain while they have to back. Of course the better play is for an aggressive Zed to force mana usage (though zoning of the Mid-lane Mage off Farm through the use of sustainable active damage) to force the Mid-lane mage to play fast and loose with their mana...requiring them to back MUCH more frequently or fall prey to a medium health / full energy zed going all in on the mostly healed but out of mana mage for at best a very one sided trade.

While I admit this is a pessimistic view without seeing how it plays out in game, I see very little way for a mana intensive champion (any mid-lane mage) to do anything but fail miserably in lane against a character like Yas or Zed. It doesn't appear to be a matter of whether you will or won't lose lane, but a matter of the degree of how badly you lose lane. AT BEST this seems to be a snowball opportunity for the enemy mid-lane champion every game you step foot into mid lane with a mana champion.

Next, lets take a support like Sona or Soraka. They've got sustain in lane with a heal and by using mana potions and heal abilities, you effectively create a 3 way lane type: Kill Lane, Poke Lane, and Sustain Lane. By removing mana regen ability from healing Supports you effectively remove Sustain Lanes from the game and the bot lane triangle folds...Kill lanes fold to Poke Lanes and there is no sustain lane to stop the poke lane.

Whlie Soraka or Sona is currently a great pick against a Caitlyn or Tristana bot lane comp, eventually it becomes as easy as going in on the ADC once or twice with your superior damage to push the support off lane and provide you either a free kill on the ADC or a free bot lane tower. Even currently the most effective way to beat a bot lane with a Sona Support is to focus the Sona support...Sona's squishy nature followed by her one trick pony/long cast time spells makes her a fairly easy target for an aggressive bot-lane comp. WIthout mana pots, this becomes even easier, focus fire Sona a few times and you force her to blow heal spells early, suck up all her mana quickly, and be either useless for an engage or to back and leave her ADC hanging and lose out on gold herself.

Healing/sustain supports are already having a hard enough time being bullied off lane by tanky "hook" supports like Blitz, Naut or Thresh. Removing healing support's ability to regain mana to continue healing does nothing for the game except forces them to back twice as often, leaving their ADC's vulnerable for far longer periods of time and forcing less and less ability to play what is already considered the worst role in LoL.

I do not understand the need to reduce the overall ability to sustain by almost all champions and completely REMOVING the ability to sustain by a limited set of others. The stated goal for removing mana potions was to eliminate the (assumeably) unfair benefits to the "some champions" that found them useful...under the auspices that items useful only to some champions somehow give those champions more power or are "unfair" in some way. What you seem to be ignoring is that there are a whole set of champions that were given abilities based DIRECTLY around the fact that these "unfair" advantages existed in the game. Mid lane Zed and Yas stand up to mid lane Annie or Vel'Koz specifically because they use energy and not mana which is balanced by the fact that Vel and Annie could use mana potions to keep themselves in killing shape for longer periods of time...the result was a skilled match-up of chicken in lane, make a mistake and generally Vel or Anne or Zed or Yas had the energy or mana available to take advantage of the mistake. Instead, now, an aggressive Zed can force extreme mana usage by an enemy Vel, heal that damage with a limited set of mana potions, and then take advantage of the mana drought either with extended uncontested CS farming or a guaranteed/no risk all in for the kill. I might be convinced this wasn't a problem if I saw something on the Mage side that gave them the same ability.

I've played many, many games in LoL, I don't think I've EVER heard the words "God, potions are just too powerful..." I have to wonder if you're not "fixing" something that really has no need to be fixed. This has the "Major League Baseball" feel of "Players just aren't scoring enough points so the game is boring"...it has the feel to it that you want more 20/0 snowball lanes and less 2/2 vs. 3/1 lanes by the end of 15 minutes of play.

Generally, RIP AP supports and mages Rito is forcing me to jungle ;-;

If you needed mana pots to stay in lane before that badly, you were doing something terribly wrong. Doran's ring + flask takes care of everything you need. I don't even get flask on her when I mid/top. Go early double Doran's or rush into Morello.

Frostfang is gonna have 100% mana regen and Lulu support really doesn't have a mana problem if you don't spam her lance