Cassiopoia is Trash

Owntrolf·Oct 25, 2014·80 votes·4,925 views

I poison 2 champions with my Q It only gives me 1 stack per second even though it should give me 2 Nowonder nobody plays Cassio

78 Comments

xJLx MCHammerOct 25, 201446 votes

If that was the only problem

MannysmokerOct 25, 201426 votes

dude i share ur pain. she does no damage, unless she get mega fed somehow.. rip in pepperoni Cassiopeia

SukishooOct 26, 20142 votes

You must have the wrong runes/masteries in order to do no damage.

The Red WardenOct 26, 20141 votes

Her q and w until rank 3 basically only do 15 or less damage per second. The only hard hitting ability she has is e and if at any time you miss even one possible farm with it, you fall behind faster than if your legs were made out of cement.

SukishooOct 26, 2014

I've done plenty with her in early level but you do have to focus on the stacks more so than the damage early on (since the more you have the better off you'll be). You don't need farm to make it effective though, stacking off of your opponent is the key.

FiskOct 26, 201428 votes

Cassiopeia is great! Unless she doesn't get fed... Or shut down in lane.... Or play against an assassin.... Or get perfect cs..... Or get great peel.... Oh.... My bad, she's terrible.

TenSlashTenOct 26, 201420 votes

LOL is that the reason you don't like new cass? LOL Well fuck me for saying its her gutted ratios thats the issue.

MrSlowDieOct 26, 201414 votes

I don't play cass, but seeing cass players have to change their style, as a lane bully with great AoE and DoT into a farmer and late game oriented is miserable

MartyrofsandOct 26, 20147 votes

I don't play cass, but seeing cass players have to change their style, as a lane bully with great AoE and DoT into a farmer and late game oriented is miserable

Except Cassio doesn't change her aggressive dueling oriented play style, all she changes is that her damage is via E spam as oppose to Q poke. No you won't cheese people level 2 consistently anymore but right now if you play Cassio focusing on her E spam play style it is extremely easy to dominate most lane match-ups you get put into that don't involved Syndra/Xerith/Ziggs/Azir, IE champs that out range her. Against Zed/Orianna/Zilien/TF/etc Cassio can be extremely punishing, especially once Tear/Cata is complete.

She isn't the ruined trash everyone is making her out to be and while she isn't her former self her play style is much more healtthy for the game, even if it could have it's thematics addressed IE having her poisons be more prominent in some way for a champ that takes after a creature known for it's venom.

As for the stacks they are not as punishing or difficult as people are making out. I'm far from the best Cassio but I am still managing 400 stacks between 25-30 minutes depending on if I win or lose lane and I've seen others, namely King Cobra, hitting it much sooner with reasonable consistency. The aggressive style is still there, it's just focused more around her E spam than her Q harass and people are just not willing to accept that and are instead trying to insist on this farmville style of play and then complaining "OMG new cassio sucks she does no damage and loses to everyone."

I know I used to be very ignorant about this rework as well and tried the same crap others have tried. I tried the farmville, I tried to stick with the Q max, I tried being extremely passive. Lost pretty much every game doing it. It wasn't until I started paying attention to my E, maxing it first, and learning how to position to get 4-6 Es in per Q I land that I started having success, and that success has only continued to increase the more I continue to play and practice this play style.

Neo AragornOct 26, 201415 votes

You're a G5 support main, support main. Support main. Trust me you have no fucking clue how it feels to play Cass. It feels like shit and Cobra super overestimates her to the point that it sounds like he wants her to remain shit so no one plays her. The fact that her win rate averages in the low 40s in Diamond when only mains play it should tell you something.

MartyrofsandOct 26, 20148 votes

You're a G5 support main, support main. Support main. Trust me you have no fucking clue how it feels to play Cass. It feels like shit and Cobra super overestimates her to the point that it sounds like he wants her to remain shit so no one plays her. The fact that her win rate averages in the low 40s in Diamond when only mains play it should tell you something.

And it's at this point I wish you could see more of my normal game history considering I have more normals played as Cassio alone than I have total ranked games. I have plenty of an understanding when it comes to Cassio and where she sits right now. Is she the insane AoE damage threat she was in the past? No but is she complete and utter garbage with zero means of which to play her? No she isn't. At this point you are acting like the sky is falling and throwing out conspiracy theories of people wanting her to be bad just so they will be the only one to play them, when it's taking that persons advice that has resulted in success being found with this champ.

Also win rate tells you nothing frankly. Lee Sin has been stuck at a around a 45% win rate at Diamond and there is absolutely zero people crying that he is under powered garbage, quite the opposite most complain he's over powered. Hell Sona sits at a 54% win rate and yet no pro who's worth a damn is willing to touch her right now because of how weak she is compared to the other supports. Point of all this? Win rates tell you nothing about how good or strong a champion really is.

It's so nice that there's one, specific niche way that Cassiopeia can be played now and not be complete and utter dead weight.

You're so right that we're all just "ignorant" about the rework because it definitely didn't cut down on the myriad of ways to play Cassiopeia and still feel effective.

Look I was much like many others who played pre-rework cass for her Q poke over her E dueling. I get that it sucks to not be able to play like that anymore and be successful but just because that specific play style doesn't exist anymore doesn't suddenly make Cassio trash as a whole. Could she use a few tweeks to emphasis her poison game play? Absolutely. Is she trash to the point you are a hindrance to your team and have to be carried? No she isn't.

The other thing I would add is think about that play style and ask yourself was it really healthy? If you think so than I invite you to go into a game as Annie vs a Xerith and come back and tell me how much you enjoyed that match-up. Tell me how much you enjoyed having zero ability to interact and fight him while he continued to freely harass and punish you. That was the old Q max play style in a nut shell. A lot of champs couldn't interact with it because of the bonus move speed and the poke was so often all they could do was attempt to farm from under turret while dodging poisons. That isn't really healthy game play, it's one thing when your opponent out duels you and you got a chance to play and fight back and simply lost. It's another when you are punished and abused and you have no ability to fight back. You go from being a guy who put up a good fight and simply lost, to a victim who's being abused while being helpless to fight back. Over all not a good experience for a lot of people.

Neo AragornOct 26, 20147 votes

Stopped reading at normals. Tell me when you have 300+ Cass ranked games in Diamond 1+, then we can talk about your opinion on the subject, G5 support.

BlazeOBOct 26, 201413 votes

Stopped reading at normals. Tell me when you have 300+ Cass ranked games in Diamond 1+, then we can talk about your opinion on the subject, G5 support.

You're so focused on him being a G5 support main that it seems like you just want to trash talk and provide nothing constructive to the conversation. Stop acting like a kid and say something intelligent for a change.

He had his points and backed them up with something and offered some info that may help people play cass. Meanwhile, you're just talking out of your ass.

Neo AragornOct 26, 20143 votes

Saying he should have ranked games at high Elo before talking nonsense is talking out of my ass? Okay Silver player, I'm sure you understand what it's like at Diamond 1.

MartyrofsandOct 27, 20141 votes

Saying he should have ranked games at high Elo before talking nonsense is talking out of my ass? Okay Silver player, I'm sure you understand what it's like at Diamond 1.

So let me get this straight. Someone in G5 says Cassio is viable if played a specific way and their opinion is worthless. Someone in Master Tier says Cassio is viable is played a specific way and they are trying to keep the champ as is so only they can play it.

You are not looking to listen to someone who knows more than you, all you want is for people to agree with you and for riot to give you what you want. Sorry but that isn't how the world works.

Also I want to address this whole "Cassio can't fight anyone early game" thing that people keep throwing out there.

Pre-rework Cass used to do 75+.8 AP scaling with her Q at rank 1. Pre-rework Cass used to do 50+.55 AP scaling on her E at rank 1.

Now she does 75+.45 AP ratio with her Q at rank 1 Now she does 55+.4 AP scaling with her E at rank 1.

Pre-rework she could get 3 Es off her Q Now she can get 6 Es off her Q.

Starting with a Doran's Ring and standard runes/masteries 39 AP by level 2 would be reasonable.

Pre-rework would then to 76+.8 = 106.2 for her Q Pre-rework would then do 50+.55 = 71.45 per E, getting 3 of them for a total of 214.35

Pre-rework Cassio level 2 will do 320.55 damage.

Cassio now will do 75+.45 = 92.55 for her Q Cassio now will do 55+.4 = 70.6 damage per E and you can now land 6 which is 423.6

Cassio now can do 516.15

That is optimal if you land all 6 E casts 445.55 if you land 5 Es, 374.95 damage if you land 4. If all you do is play Cass like you used to, IE Q-->E 3 times and back off you will do less damage, all of 16.2 less damage considering now 3 Es from cass is 304.35 damage. This idea that Cassio does no early game damage is flat out wrong if you are correctly using her E.

Neo AragornOct 27, 20142 votes

Your math is seriously wrong, your assumptions are ridiculous, and you have no clue what you're talking about. See the previous mega threads with the math listed for proper numbers.

MartyrofsandOct 27, 20141 votes

Your math is seriously wrong, your assumptions are ridiculous, and you have no clue what you're talking about. See the previous mega threads with the math listed for proper numbers.

Actually my math is pretty much dead on. For reference of Cassio's numbers between past and current here are the patch notes about the rework...

General

    New splash artwork.

    Model and texture upgrade to all skins.
    New voice over, including special quotes for Ascension.
    New lore. 
Deadly Cadence.png Aspect of the Serpent
    New Innate: Cassiopeia permanently gains a stack of Aspect of the Serpent for:
        Poisoning an enemy champion (per second)
        Killing a poisoned unit
        Casting Twin Fang on an enemy champion. 
    A maximum of 400 stacks can be held, and grants different bonuses based on the current amount:
        75 Stacks: 5% increased ability power. Twin Fang now heals Cassiopeia for 6 / 8 / 10 / 12 / 16 (+10% AP)
        200 Stacks: 10% increased ability power and gains 25% cooldown reduction.
        400 Stacks: 30% increased ability power. 
Noxious Blast.png Noxious Blast
    New ability animation.
    AP scaling reduced to (+35% AP) from (+80% AP).
    Bonus movement speed changed to 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 % from 15 / 17.5 / 20 / 22.5 / 25%.
    Cooldown increased to 4 seconds from 3.
    Mana cost changed to 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 from 35 / 45 / 55 / 65 / 75.
    Delay increased to 0.65 seconds from 0.6. 
Miasma.png Miasma
    Base damage reduced to 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 per second from 25 / 35 / 45 / 55 / 65.
    AP scaling reduced to (+10% AP) per second from (+15% AP).
    Slow increased to 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 % from 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 %.
    Cooldown reduced to 14 / 13 / 12 / 11 / 10 seconds from 9 at all ranks.
    Mana cost reduced to 40 / 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 from 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 120.

** Twin Fang.png Twin Fang Base damage changed to 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 from 50 / 85 / 120 / 155 / 190. AP scaling changed to (+ 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60% AP) from (+ 55% AP) at all ranks. Mana cost reduced to 30 / 45 / 60 / 75 / 90 from 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90.** Killing an enemy with Twin Fang will restore 30 / 45 / 60 / 75 / 90 (+3% max mana). Significantly improved poison-detection for the purposes of on-hit cooldown reduction (like, really significantly). This includes detecting if the target is poisoned on-cast, meaning the cooldown can be reduced before you've even damaged the enemy. Petrifying Gaze.png Petrifying Gaze Base damage reduced to 150 / 250 / 350 from 200 / 325 / 450. AP scaling reduced to (+50% AP) from (+60% AP). Cooldown reduced to 120 / 110 / 100 seconds from 130 / 120 / 110.

And then the very next patch notes for the buff to Q's scaling...

Stats

    Base mana increased to 280 from 250.

    Mana per level increased to 60 from 50. 
Noxious Blast.png Noxious Blast
    AP ratio increased to 45% from 35%. 
Twin Fang.png Twin Fang
    Fixed a bug where Twin Fang's cooldown was only being reset to 0.7 seconds instead of the intended 0.5 seconds.

You can scream "no your wrong" all you want but numbers don't lie and my math was correct. Cassio played correctly does in fact do more damage than she did in the past to single targets.

MrSlowDieOct 26, 20143 votes

I don't play cass, but seeing cass players have to change their style, as a lane bully with great AoE and DoT into a farmer and late game oriented is miserable

Except Cassio doesn't change her aggressive dueling oriented play style, all she changes is that her damage is via E spam as oppose to Q poke. No you won't cheese people level 2 consistently anymore but right now if you play Cassio focusing on her E spam play style it is extremely easy to dominate most lane match-ups you get put into that don't involved Syndra/Xerith/Ziggs/Azir, IE champs that out range her. Against Zed/Orianna/Zilien/TF/etc Cassio can be extremely punishing, especially once Tear/Cata is complete.

She isn't the ruined trash everyone is making her out to be and while she isn't her former self her play style is much more healtthy for the game, even if it could have it's thematics addressed IE having her poisons be more prominent in some way for a champ that takes after a creature known for it's venom.

As for the stacks they are not as punishing or difficult as people are making out. I'm far from the best Cassio but I am still managing 400 stacks between 25-30 minutes depending on if I win or lose lane and I've seen others, namely King Cobra, hitting it much sooner with reasonable consistency. The aggressive style is still there, it's just focused more around her E spam than her Q harass and people are just not willing to accept that and are instead trying to insist on this farmville style of play and then complaining "OMG new cassio sucks she does no damage and loses to everyone."

I know I used to be very ignorant about this rework as well and tried the same crap others have tried. I tried the farmville, I tried to stick with the Q max, I tried being extremely passive. Lost pretty much every game doing it. It wasn't until I started paying attention to my E, maxing it first, and learning how to position to get 4-6 Es in per Q I land that I started having success, and that success has only continued to increase the more I continue to play and practice this play style.

ikr.. now she's more about that single target E than than AoE and DoT, i am sure everybody knows it by a glance at the patch note, and it's good to know that some summoners can still be aggressive by maxing E, she still has a little identity of her old playstyle

but you know, everybody just mad when skarner lost his stickiness and turned into AP duelist

Serpents EmbraceOct 26, 20144 votes

You maxed E before the rework, anyway.

All the rework actually did was force her to jump through arbitrary hoops with the passive and nerf her over-all damage so badly that the only thing that you can still see affect a health bar is her E.

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20141 votes

You maxed E before the rework, anyway.

That was rather situational. You would never max E against champs like Xerath / Syndra unless they weren't as good as you or confident or comfortable with the champ, so that you could outplay them... otherwise, it would have been safer to max Q first. I personally maxed Q first always when I was against the old Talon with silence for example, would have been suicide to try and get to the E range against him.

Serpents EmbraceOct 26, 20141 votes

So you're refuting my point because in certain, specific scenarios it wouldn't have been true?

ILoveTiramisuOct 26, 20141 votes

You maxed E before the rework, anyway.

All the rework actually did was force her to jump through arbitrary hoops with the passive and nerf her over-all damage so badly that the only thing that you can still see affect a health bar is her E.

I play her a lot right now. R>Q>E>W. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/35122159#matches

Serpents EmbraceOct 26, 20143 votes

If you play her a lot right now, honestly, all I can do is feel sorry for you.

ILoveTiramisuOct 26, 20142 votes

If you play her a lot right now, honestly, all I can do is feel sorry for you.

Honestly, If you are a cassiopeia main, you should to be more happy to show how much skilled you are. I like cassio now, and you can dislike how much this post you want to. If none will play her, she will be more funny for me.

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20143 votes

Honestly, If you are a cassiopeia main, you should to be more happy to show how much skilled you are.

Why? Why you should be happy to play an underpowered champ? You do understand that there's much more to this game than your individual skill right? Even if you were a skilled player, you can't make some champs work, since some are inferior to others, like Urgot for example... not to mention, even Faker tried to play Cass right after the rework, and failed miserably.

I like cassio now, and you can dislike how much this post you want to.

Well sure you do since you only have played Normal games with her, against unranked and low elo players. That's not exactly hard. Now if you would go and play some Ranked games with her against people who actually try to win, you would notice that it's not that simple.

ILoveTiramisuOct 26, 20141 votes

Honestly, If you are a cassiopeia main, you should to be more happy to show how much skilled you are.

Why? Why you should be happy to play an underpowered champ? You do understand that there's much more to this game than your individual skill right? Even if you were a skilled player, you can't make some champs work, since some are inferior to others, like Urgot for example... not to mention, even Faker tried to play Cass right after the rework, and failed miserably.

I like cassio now, and you can dislike how much this post you want to.

Well sure you do since you only have played Normal games with her, against unranked and low elo players. That's not exactly hard. Now if you would go and play some Ranked games with her against people who actually try to win, you would notice that it's not that simple.

This is your acc, right? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/19636359#matches

Said me why you pick that shitty item on her? Rylai, seraph, are you play tank cassiopeia?
I play against unranked in last matches because I was helping a level 22 to reach 30 level. I play her against a lot of platinum player. Believe me.

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20142 votes

This is your acc, right? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/19636359#matches

Yup.

Said me why you pick that shitty item on her? Rylai, seraph, are you play tank cassiopeia?

Rylais and Seraph have always been part of her core items, still are... Seraph even more now due to her mana problems, unless you go for RoA instead. If you are referring to that Liandrys that I build, I just did it for fun, since normal games.

I play against unranked in last matches because I was helping a level 22 to reach 30 level. I play her against a lot of platinum player. Believe me.

Maybe you do, maybe you don't ... however you have never played Ranked games with her, so meh. Normal games mean nothing.

ZorpinkaOct 26, 20141 votes

Ranked games mean nothing.

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20141 votes

Cool story bro

Serpents EmbraceOct 26, 20143 votes

I should be more than happy to put up with this much of an identity massacre?

Her lore, gameplay and appearance are all butchered, and I should feel grateful?

I was a Cassiopeia main, but Cassiopeia no longer exists in any semblance of what she once was, and you're an asshole for patronizing people who are rightfully upset by that.

ILoveTiramisuOct 26, 20141 votes

I should be more than happy to put up with this much of an identity massacre?

Her lore, gameplay and appearance are all butchered, and I should feel grateful?

I was a Cassiopeia main, but Cassiopeia no longer exists in any semblance of what she once was, and you're an asshole for patronizing people who are rightfully upset by that.

Asshole?! none understand you dont like cassio because you build her badly... As I said, when I buy athene like first item I start to win every lane. I watch in every match ups you play, you buy rylay, seraph and other shitty item. It's like play yasuo or tryndamere without critical chance, and I said to you you should to buy critical chance on yasuo to win. You don't buy right item, then you rage and post here she isnt good. Remember Zed, none play him after last nerf, then players see who bjerseng buy bortk to slow his enemy while he ult, and everyone re-start to play him again. Here is same thing. If you said I'm an asshole because you cannot by this item, I hope you stop to play her. This is my last post here. People here are lazy. Bye assholes.

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20142 votes

Plz... you only play normal games anyway, you can build literally anything there and do just fine, AD Cass even. Anyways, Athene is not that good on Cass, never was really... currently that CDR you get is purely a wasted stat due to her new passive, you get more AP and Mana from Seraph or RoA, not to mention survivability. Even the MR you get is not that good since Cass is not a viable mid champ anymore and does better when played in Top.

There's no real reason to get Athene on Cass anymore, not really worth getting.

ILoveTiramisuOct 26, 20141 votes

Plz... you only play normal games anyway, you can build literally anything there and do just fine, AD Cass even. Anyways, Athene is not that good on Cass, never was really... currently that CDR you get is purely a wasted stat due to her new passive, you get more AP and Mana from Seraph or RoA, not to mention survivability. Even the MR you get is not that good since Cass is not a viable mid champ anymore and does better when played in Top.

There's no real reason to get Athene on Cass anymore, not really worth getting.

Believe me. Build this: athene, sorceres boot, zhonya, rabadon, void staff, lyandry. masteries 21 9 0. ignite and flash. runes, magic pen red, health scaling yellow, ap scaling blue, ap flat blue. **Try it just 3 time **and you will see how much strong she is. About cdr, she will capped at 40%, with 25+20+2,5, no problem. Copy it in my runes and masteries. Believe me and get fun, dude. Stop typing shitty thing here.

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20142 votes

I told you... in normals you can do whatever you want and still do just fine. That's not the case when it comes to Ranked.

Athene and Liandrys are not worth. Also most of the time Exhaust is better than Ignite. You lack the dmg and mana to kill people early anyways.

ILoveTiramisuOct 26, 20141 votes

I told you... in normals you can do whatever you want and still do just fine. That's not the case when it comes to Ranked.

Athene and Liandrys are not worth. Also most of the time Exhaust is better than Ignite. You lack the dmg and mana to kill people early anyways.

So what cahmpion is your next main?

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20142 votes

Don't really know... almost every champ is currently better then Cass, so it's hard to choose.

xJLx MCHammerOct 26, 20142 votes

I told you... in normals you can do whatever you want and still do just fine. That's not the case when it comes to Ranked.

Athene and Liandrys are not worth. Also most of the time Exhaust is better than Ignite. You lack the dmg and mana to kill people early anyways.

Shup up! Please

All tiers in ranked share about 25% of the pickrate that cass has. It's the same proportion to the amount of games played in normal. Why take out 20% of the sample data because YOU feel normal is not good enough? What idiotic statement this is considering the fact I see Diamond playing Her in normal. Yet, I see in bronze 5 been played by players who main doing things that not even first time Diamond cass players doo

Ironically, Bronze and silver in ranked are just as bad if not worst than normal because if the amount of trolls in the game. I'm sure if cobra cane and treks you that anything below plat1 ranked for cass doesn't count because these players can't play

Really tho, riot said this rework was not meant to make cass a competitive but for in more with current game. So I don't see why we should use all tiers including normal with the understanding that like in bronze, normal may have games with funky builds or trolls

And this is just fot you. You want cass to get changed or buffed, yet when a fellow cass players comes to say she is weak or trash, instead of agreeing with him, you just attack his opinion and encourage him not to post anymore. Geee i wonder why Cass threads have about 2 dozen cass players. Likely, you keep telling the ones who come to gtfo because they are in normals. Remember 20% of cass games are from normal. Possible a 20% player pop you just told to get lost despite them being your support

The Queen ViperOct 26, 20141 votes

Why take out 20% of the sample data because YOU feel normal is not good enough?

Normals are not competitive, that's why... if you want to include normals, then you should also include Dominion, Twisted Treeline and ARAM, otherwise you are inconsistent. However majority of people are playing those games simply because they want to have fun instead of going "try hard", which is why making any arguments based on those games are dubious at best.

xJLx MCHammerOct 26, 20141 votes

Why take out 20% of the sample data because YOU feel normal is not good enough?

Normals are not competitive, that's why. Majority of people are playing those games simply because they want to have fun instead of going "try hard".

And players in bronze and silver come in to troll. Not only that, but ranked games have more afks and toxic players because if the sense of failure. Let's not forget, bronze player who mains cass will still lose to a D1 players who is just starting to play cass in normal

You don't seem to understsnd this

xJLx MCHammerOct 26, 20141 votes

Why take out 20% of the sample data because YOU feel normal is not good enough?

Normals are not competitive, that's why... if you want to include normals, then you should also include Dominion, Twisted Treeline and ARAM, otherwise you are inconsistent. However majority of people are playing those games simply because they want to have fun instead of going "try hard", which is why making any arguments based on those games are dubious at best.

Lol lol dominion, aram, tt, are different game modes. They are BALANCED DIFFERENTLY.

ffs man, where is your logic

Serpents EmbraceOct 27, 20141 votes

I don't understand?

Serpents EmbraceOct 26, 20148 votes

That's not the only reason to avoid playing her.

Before the ~~nerf~~ rework, the lack of stacks on Q was probably the only annoying thing.

But now you have a lot of trouble maintaining poisons because of Stashu's CDR massacre. You deal a lot less damage because Stashu decides to fuck with the base damages. You scale worse because Stashu decided to give you lower AP scalings even while forcing you to go for heavier AP amounts because of his stupid mini game passive. Your ultimate isn't a nuke anymore, and the stun window doesn't allow you to deal much damage during it because you hit like a limp noodle.

Cassiopeia was my favorite champion, in play and in lore, for over three years. But after 4.16 there is no reason to play her, she is not unique nor fun anymore and her lore was whitewashed to be a generic villain to Sivir's generic hero with secret royal lineage. It's awful, and Stashu has made it painfully clear he doesn't care about fixing any of his mistakes.

CanastusOct 25, 20147 votes

Attach a Cass image to your starting post and we'll make sure to upvote this into the skies so that Riot may see it.

Clouded MagiOct 26, 20147 votes

shes is probably the most underwhelming ap mid ive ever played. I was starting to learn her before the rework, but after, it's not even worth it. 0 stack Veigar does more damage than Cass at any stage of the game, and he's supposed to be the farm mage. It's pretty painful whenever I see her picked

Tapu FiniOct 26, 20147 votes

Let's not even mention her complete failure to function outside of Summoner's Rift.

slaverythegameOct 26, 20146 votes

Personally I don't know why they nerfed her and for new mechanic made it you had to farm to build up her ap JUST TO BE INFERIOR LATE GAME DAMAGE to old cass. Honestly it's like some derp riot developer got owned by old cass and said fuck you to the champ and player that owned him by making this abomination new cass.

Penguin EclipseOct 26, 20143 votes

It blows my mind that some people think the old Cass was weak. Getting first blood was not uncommon with the old Cass. Got countered? Didn't matter, she could farm safely with her poison. She didn't even have to be ahead to 1v1 nearly any champion in the game. Full build she was one of the only mages in the game that could easily solo Baron with a normal build. I have not seen a Cass successfully solo baron since because of the massive mana constraints that never used to exist.

I used to play Cass a lot and I had a nearly 60% winrate with her in ranked. I refuse to play her now since her early game got gutted and we are now forced to play/build her a certain way or be completely worthless. And I have not lost mid lane to a Cass since the rework went live. In fact I think I have only lost 1 game to a Cass and she got carried really hard.

Hex the FenFenOct 26, 20142 votes

I love Cass, i do, i love her deisgn her lore everything, i played her before the rework and i loved it! But now she is so incredibly underpowered it is ridiculous. Yes, her E is spammable but her DoT is sooooooo weak, it is like there is no point to even using it other than the rest on E. They hurt her power so much, and hr bullying. Rito needs to stop worrying about Cass being so much of a lane bully and push their focus onto Yasuo and Zed. The AD mid-laners that bully and dominate more than she can.