Can anyone suggest me which Key Stone mastery is the best for vlad at the moment or which one is a situational one? I feel like thunderlords is decent for lane. Deathfire is decent when you build pretty squishy and i saw some vlad players take stormraiders/windspeakers/Strength. What are the pros/cons about the 5 masterys. Can anyone help me out please? Ty
xl Kirito lx1 votesVladimir has had really weak keystones for awhile. Thunderlords is nice, but it's pretty hard to proc early on, and most Vlad builds don't have enough AP to make use of the single target burst provided by it. Deathfire is nice as well, but it doesn't feel incredibly impactful. It's also a liability if you're trying to harass someone under tower.
Stormriders is supposedly good, but I haven't tested much with it. Vlad has the damage to use it, but it's still arguable. I've heard SotA is the Korean meta, it's been testing well also. Gives good stats, minor sustain mid-game. It's also viable.
Windspeakers is what I personally use. I've won games because of this keystone before, and I'm basically stuck on it. Between Windspeakers, Spirit Visage, and Runic Armor, you get nice sustain mid-late game. It's less noticeable early game though.
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Vladimir has had really weak keystones for awhile. Thunderlords is nice, but it's pretty hard to proc early on, and most Vlad builds don't have enough AP to make use of the single target burst provided by it. Deathfire is nice as well, but it doesn't feel incredibly impactful. It's also a liability if you're trying to harass someone under tower.
Stormriders is supposedly good, but I haven't tested much with it. Vlad has the damage to use it, but it's still arguable. I've heard SotA is the Korean meta, it's been testing well also. Gives good stats, minor sustain mid-game. It's also viable.
Windspeakers is what I personally use. I've won games because of this keystone before, and I'm basically stuck on it. Between Windspeakers, Spirit Visage, and Runic Armor, you get nice sustain mid-late game. It's less noticeable early game though.
Thanks for the answer. Doesnt he lack dmg when you take windspeakers and is it a must to build visage with that keystone? Do you take the 5% cdr or the arpen/mpen when you take that mastery and do you build protobelt on vlad? BTw which runes are the best? is it a must to take 10% flat. What do you think about movespeed quins. Which items are core overall? What are the best startings items. Ty for the help. Im new to vlad and it feels as like there must be pretty much thought behind all the small things. Something like sorrc boots or swiftys? Both are decent.
xl Kirito lx1 votesI don't notice a loss of damage, just due to how hard it is to proc thunderlords. Realistically, you have to AA twice, and Q to proc it for 40- damage early, with a lengthy CD. I found it was cumbersome before the rework, and worse off now. I dislike DFT since it draws tower aggro, and you'll typically end up tanking tower shots by accident.
Visage is a really good item, but I'm not going to say it's necessary. It's incredibly good, not something you want to skip, but you can. -- Typically take the 5% CDR, but the Mpen isn't bad either. CDR scales better thou, imo. -- I tested a protobelt rush build on Vlad a week or so ago, and it worked pretty well. Gives some nice dueling potential, outplay potential. With that said, I'm not running it in my build rn. I've been testing better with a rlyai's rush.
Runes I've been testing a lot also, I've mainly been running a standard mage page. Also testing a tank-scaling page, with %max HP. That said, I have no idea what's the best page. A lot of people are going to argue CDR heavy pages, but the loss of tank stats wasn't testing well.
Items are subjective. You build what you need. Rylai's gives damage/sticking potential, Zhonyas gives survivability. Abyssal, Liandries, Protobelt, Deadmans, Visage. -- Starting items, I've been going Dark Seal + Refillable. Seal gives snowball potential, AP, and resells pretty well. Refillable is cheap and efficient.
The build I've been running rushes a haunting guise, so I've been taking Sorc boots to have better damage mid game. Swifities are probably better though, or Lucidity if you need the CDR to cap out.
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I don't notice a loss of damage, just due to how hard it is to proc thunderlords. Realistically, you have to AA twice, and Q to proc it for 40- damage early, with a lengthy CD. I found it was cumbersome before the rework, and worse off now. I dislike DFT since it draws tower aggro, and you'll typically end up tanking tower shots by accident.
Visage is a really good item, but I'm not going to say it's necessary. It's incredibly good, not something you want to skip, but you can. -- Typically take the 5% CDR, but the Mpen isn't bad either. CDR scales better thou, imo. -- I tested a protobelt rush build on Vlad a week or so ago, and it worked pretty well. Gives some nice dueling potential, outplay potential. With that said, I'm not running it in my build rn. I've been testing better with a rlyai's rush.
Runes I've been testing a lot also, I've mainly been running a standard mage page. Also testing a tank-scaling page, with %max HP. That said, I have no idea what's the best page. A lot of people are going to argue CDR heavy pages, but the loss of tank stats wasn't testing well.
Items are subjective. You build what you need. Rylai's gives damage/sticking potential, Zhonyas gives survivability. Abyssal, Liandries, Protobelt, Deadmans, Visage. -- Starting items, I've been going Dark Seal + Refillable. Seal gives snowball potential, AP, and resells pretty well. Refillable is cheap and efficient.
The build I've been running rushes a haunting guise, so I've been taking Sorc boots to have better damage mid game. Swifities are probably better though, or Lucidity if you need the CDR to cap out.
So whats the build you figured out to be the best for now? Like rushing haunting guise , sorccs , rylaiz, into liandrys , then a defensive one? Has protobelt a space in that one? What do you think about taking 8Mpen in Reds, 10% Flat Cdr 2 Armor Quints and HP per Level in Runes? I feel like that could be a pretty decent runepage for Toplane. I feel like taking Mpen in runes in reds synergize pretty well with the guise and sorccs, dont you think? And ill try out the Windspeakers. Ty for the help. And what do you think about taking Ap Quints? I feel since the rework his early is probably in way stronger, so do you think he is fine without that early dmg boost?
xl Kirito lx1 votesI've been rushing Haunting guise into Rylais, then upgrade boots/liandres whenever, into tank- items. Feels like a good mix of offensive and defensive. Survivability, and damage. Feels lackluster in raw 1v1 potential though. I don't run protobelt in my build right now, mainly due to time. If I get Rylais/Liandries, I need resists to use the raw health.
Runes, I can't say much to. I strongly prefer defensive rune builds, so mine are typically more tanky than most. Meta seems to say that you want CDR in runes, personally I question that. With the new items, Vlad can itemize 40% CDR pretty easily if you want. I'd say stick to the meta on that. It's very hard to have a "wrong" rune page, it's whatever you feel comfortable with, and play well with.
OtakuGaming1 votesWhat do you mean with the build feels lackluster in 1v1 situations? When im thinking about it , the build should be pretty decent for 1on1s because of the rylais and then enhanced dmg through liandries.