I seriously hate how much impact junglers have on the game

koshkyra·Feb 10, 2018·62 votes·6,494 views

If your jungler even remotely hates you for whatever reason, say goodbye to getting ganks, buffs, help in any way, and even sometimes objectives.

Oh and you better obey their every command and swallow your pride as they flame you or else you can say goodbye to your chances of surviving the laning phase

Like wtf if your jungler doesnt like you you basically lose lane and probably the game too

It wouldnt be so bad if junglers didnt literally decide every lane's outcome BUT THEY DO and its fucking stupid

127 Comments

DegenERICKFeb 10, 201831 votes

It still boggles my mind that a jungler can be level 3, with double buffs, use the blast cone and gank me at 2:40 while I'm level 2 top.

koshkyraFeb 10, 201822 votes

Have you ever been ganked at 1:40 by a red buffed twitch in the midlane?

saltranFeb 10, 20186 votes

Those Lee ganks at lvl 2 are scary.

TeCoolMageFeb 11, 20185 votes

Ward hop over raptor wall and kill mid lane

Enemy jg: report mid no ward

VexingRavenFeb 11, 20181 votes

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It still boggles my mind that a jungler can be level 3, with double buffs, use the blast cone and gank me at 2:40 while I'm level 2 top.

As a jungler, I agree. I hate the "double buff ASAP then gank" meta. I like counter jungling, I like messing with the opposing jungler, but there's not much to do when they are just rushing both buffs and ganking. All I can do is rush my buffs and gank and/or countergank. It's not fun. Unfortunately I don't know how to fix it or even why it started being this way in the first place, because it didn't used to be like this. Perhaps because jungling rewards are too low, or because lanes are too snowbally? I know if I don't get at least 1 lane snowballing by 5 minutes my influence on the game goes way down.

RexxieeFeb 10, 201829 votes

junglers really are runing the laning phase/early game right now, they are a big reason why top lane feels so bad to play.

koshkyraFeb 10, 201814 votes

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junglers really are runing the laning phase/early game right now, they are a big reason why top lane feels so bad to play.

Did you mean to say "running" or "ruining"?

I agree with you either way but im just curious

RexxieeFeb 10, 20188 votes

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Did you mean to say "running" or "ruining"?

I agree with you either way but im just curious

I guess both work.

They run away with games and they ruin the laning phase experience for top laners.

needHymnFeb 10, 201816 votes

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Spicy RiceFeb 11, 20182 votes

the higher you go, the more important it is to not piss off your jungler.

ProzzakFeb 11, 20181 votes

As a jungler main myself yeah it is. Junglers get whined at probably 90% of the games they play by someone. Example is just last game. I warded river and he had tri warded top. I pinged careful kha topside and I'm not there. He proceeds to push up and die because logic then complains I wasn't there. We had vision of the gank coming (watched him head there from the ward) and he ignored it. Anyway, 5 minutes later I have got 4 kills botside (between myself and adc/support) for the team but he died again top so incoming complaints from him. He proceeds to freak out and basically start suiciding.

It is relentless. Every game you have it coming at you and if your team actually gets behind 99% of the time the team will side with the other laner. It gets to the point that I just mute them instantly if they even say one thing because I am just tired to being bitched at in 90% of my games by someone.

If you don't jungle a lot you probably have not experienced it. But if you do you full well know that you have 4 people in the game almost every game that think they have a better idea of how you should jungle. It can be quite draining.

KrigjerFeb 11, 20181 votes

In lower elos, you gotta be real nice to your junglers.

I feel like I gotta be real nice to everyone.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone on the edge and flipping out at everyone, and I'm basically telling everyone to stop talking just so no one says something to trigger the edgy guy and he afks and leaves us in a 4v5. Like just leave him alone so he'll stay in the game and play.

I hate people.

Hèntaî Feb 11, 20182 votes

You can be silent and those dudes will find a reason to afk lol

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 10, 201813 votes

Your jungler is their to assist you not baby sit you, if you're constantly losing lane you should reassess your laning abilities.

koshkyraFeb 10, 201817 votes

Did I ever say "babysit" in my post?

There is an area between "camping" and "not ignoring" a lane.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 10, 20189 votes

You make a thread saying how jungler have too much impact on the game, not only did you not address that you write the following.

" or else you can say goodbye to your chances of surviving the laning phase

_Like wtf if your jungler doesnt like you you basically lose lane and probably the game too _ It wouldnt be so bad if junglers didnt literally decide every lane's outcome BUT THEY DO and its fucking stupid"

So basically if your jungler doesn't gank for you, you auto lose lane? That has NOTHING to do with your jungler or apparently their impact on the game.

SalsonFeb 10, 201815 votes

Except the enemy also has, you guessed it, an overpowered Jungler capable of diving you whenever he wants.

The Hell people think is going to happen when the enemy ganks you 2-3 times and you get no help.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 10, 20184 votes

There are two other lanes he can expand his resources too, just because he didn't specifically camp your lane doesn't mean anything.

Also if you get dove once you should be skeptical of a second and if a second comes then a third could be obvious.

SalsonFeb 10, 201812 votes

There are two other lanes he can expand his resources too, just because he didn't specifically camp your lane doesn't mean anything.

True. So should people really be ok with being told 'FUCK YOU' by both Riot and their teammates?

Hell no, let me lane and decide my own lane, win or lose I want to do it with my own abilities. Jungler's resources are in his Jungle, and I don't care how broken he is in his domain.

Also if you get dove once you should be skeptical of a second and if a second comes then a third could be obvious.

And? You can't def it, you can't leave it, you can't do shit. So you come here and point an obvious flaw in the game.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 10, 20183 votes

Because Riot decides to stick you with an individual who decided he's not gonna exclusively come to your lane, that's their fault? lol

You can also give up a tower and play safe at tier two, see how that works? No way they'll dive you at tier two unless they're over extending.

SalsonFeb 10, 201816 votes

So a Jungler can do whatever the hell he wants while a Laner should abandon his tower when the enemy Jungler wants to take it.

Kinda just reinforces the point, Junglers have more impact than Solo laners. And some of us want that fixed.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 11, 20188 votes

Preach it.

The Yetii RiderFeb 11, 20181 votes

It's important to note that not every dive results in a kill for the enemy team, and it certainly doesn't result in an 0 for 1 for the enemy team always.

You can fight back. You can use your CC to stop them under tower. You can damage them, fight back, dodge skill shots.

If you as a player are dying to literally every dive that comes to your lane, every gank, when you aren't warding and you aren't thinking about how far you're pushing up, there are things you as a player have control of in order to repair this.

And if you are doing everything you can, you are playing at your absolute best and you STILL die every time you get dove, well, that just means you probably need to drop a few ranks anyway.

SalsonFeb 11, 20182 votes

Yeah, tbh trading kills in a dive is pretty much the go-to strategy in cases like this.

The survivor will take your tower though, and that can really screw you over.

I mean I even tried playing like a Robin to my Jungler's Batman, following invades, making pointless TP plays to save allies and pinging sums and actually asking for ganks.

It's.....it's fucking broken. But that's not my League.

ProzzakFeb 11, 20181 votes

You can most certainly leave it. People just don't want to which is half the problem here.

koshkyraFeb 11, 20188 votes

I am curious, please explain to me how "jungler ganks" have "NOTHING to do with your jungler"

You also claim that i "never addressed how junglers have so much impact on the game", and then go on to quote literally exactly that.

Also, what happened to your whole "babysit" argument? Did you just abandon that for something else when you realized it was wrong?

ChallengerTierFeb 11, 20183 votes

assuming both junglers arent retarded, if you ward correctly as a laner and track the jungler, you shouldn't have a problem avoiding ganks. you can waste his time top for 20ish seconds while your jungler just heads over to enemy botside jungle and take all his shit or get an objective

edit: and what the fuck you can still win your lane even if you get 0 ganks, and if you seriously still think jungle decides every single lane, why dont you play jungle and autowin all 3 lanes? There are always people who get 3 ganks before 10 minutes from their jungler and still somehow lose their lane and flame lmao

Better JunglerFeb 10, 201810 votes

From the perspective of a Jungle main:

If my mid lane doesnt react to a gank, or tries to steal my blue when I don't say its okay.. Or if my bot lane tries to do dragon when I'm waiting for a better opportunity, it usually has a negative impact on the game.

For example, if mid steals blue from me, I'm now behind in farm, gold, and buffs. I will GIVE YOU BLUE if I'm in a good spot to do so. Otherwise, you're taking from my experience in the game, and shouldn't expect help from me if you do that. It really boils down to the following:

Do your job.

Ganks, buffs, and neutral objectives are the junglers job. I dont run into bot lane, and farm waves, I dont run into mid/top and push lane, I show up when I feel we have an opportunity to make something happen. If I'm not there, its 99% of the time because you have the wave in a bad spot, or theres somewhere better I could be.

Imagine the outrage if I showed up in your lane and last hit an entire wave or two.. but no one bats an eye when mid takes raptors or gromp without permission.

Also, if your jungler hates you, theres probably a reason. Did you take his buff? take his camps? Push your lane? Refuse to react to a gank?

Be considerate and knowledgable of his job, and just like with every lane, let them perform their tasks. Don't take adc's farm, let supports execute minions, let top have a place to tp into, or split push, let the jungle handle buffs and objective calls.

ShaolinToiletFeb 11, 20181 votes

In Korea if you don't give mid blue they will afk

Automated RivenFeb 11, 20182 votes

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In Korea if you don't give mid blue they will afk

In Korea having blue vs not having blue actually matters.

ShaolinToiletFeb 11, 20181 votes

In Korea if you don't give mid blue they will afk

Better JunglerFeb 11, 20185 votes

(you posted twice ^.^)

If I had a korean mid laner, they'd get blue. :P

Unfortunately I have the NA garen mid with smite and heal, taking aftershock and rushing ardent censer.

Bottom LanerFeb 11, 20181 votes

Don't worry friend, Rito made sure your Garen mid now takes grasp instead ^-^

Spicy RiceFeb 11, 20187 votes

As a mid lane main, if im not reacting to your gank, there's most likely a reason for it.

A. I might have no abilities off cd to help you with.

B. I might have a huge wave near my tower. Huge wave = guaranteed gold. I want the guaranteed gold.

C. I might be too low of an hp to survive, or the enemy might be too strong to fight.

D. We could get counterganked and therefore counter fucked.

And btw, I will take your camps if you aren't there and i have nothing to do, and I wouldnt mind if you took waves at mid if I wasnt there.

iamthegoatofwarFeb 11, 20183 votes

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As a mid lane main, if im not reacting to your gank, there's most likely a reason for it.

A. I might have no abilities off cd to help you with.

B. I might have a huge wave near my tower. Huge wave = guaranteed gold. I want the guaranteed gold.

C. I might be too low of an hp to survive, or the enemy might be too strong to fight.

D. We could get counterganked and therefore counter fucked.

And btw, I will take your camps if you aren't there and i have nothing to do, and I wouldnt mind if you took waves at mid if I wasnt there.

if only more mids were like you about the farm thing.

Spicy RiceFeb 11, 20181 votes

Maybe it's because i started playing at a time where junglers would stay and tax lanes if they came for a gank and didn't get the kill.

YennFeb 11, 20183 votes

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As a mid lane main, if im not reacting to your gank, there's most likely a reason for it.

A. I might have no abilities off cd to help you with.

B. I might have a huge wave near my tower. Huge wave = guaranteed gold. I want the guaranteed gold.

C. I might be too low of an hp to survive, or the enemy might be too strong to fight.

D. We could get counterganked and therefore counter fucked.

And btw, I will take your camps if you aren't there and i have nothing to do, and I wouldnt mind if you took waves at mid if I wasnt there.

? ? ?

You should never take jungle camps, the jungler gets significantly increased EXP from them. I'm not sure how you got out of Gold without knowing this.

DivewingFeb 11, 20184 votes

"junglers can do whatever they like, but laners have to do as they are told"

Spicy RiceFeb 11, 20181 votes

By understanding that if the jungler is dead, or off ganking somewhere, and i have nothing better to do, it's better for me to get the gold, rather than let it sit there.

Keep in mind, im not clearing out their whole jungle, just the closest camp (raptors if mid, krugs if top).

Better JunglerFeb 11, 20182 votes

Lets go into that last part real quick, because you cant have it both ways. You cant say "I'm sick of junglers being able to gank so often because they don't have to farm."

Then clear one of our 6-8 camps (counting scuttles and assuming buffs are up). What are we supposed to do in that meantime? You cleared one of the camps that'd take us an extra couple of seconds, they'd take a bit more of our health, and instead now we're UNDER in experience, near-full health, and have an empty jungle. Of course we're going to gank lanes nonstop, thats the only source of xp, gold, and entertainment we can get sometimes.

I'm going to run through lane and smite your cannon minion every chance I get because:

"Keep in mind, im not clearing out their whole~~ jungle~~ wave, just the~~ closest camp (raptors if mid, krugs if top).~~ cannon minion.

See how foreign of an idea that is?

If my camp is up, it will be cleared. Sure at 45 minutes in, when we're all level 18 and max build, take whatever you want. Pad your cs all you want. But when we are pre 30 minutes, and jungle is performing decently, then stay off my jungle camps.

Its mindsets like yours that are the reason this original post exists. Junglers have a moderate amount of say in the game, but they get flamed and trolled by the ENTIRE team, almost every game. Whether thats chat flaming for not ganking when demanded, or taking our camps, trying to take dragon despite having no jungler absent, getting invaded by the enemy, but allly laners are too lazy to collapse for the guaranteed kill. Laners have one place to be until 15 minutes in. You sit in your lane and farm your minions. If the opportunity presents itself, then kill your opponent. Junglers are expected to be everywhere, dodge vision, control neutral objectives, control buffs, clear camps, keep tabs on enemy jungler, keep tabs on ally lane pressure, and keep vision up in key locations.

Bottom LanerFeb 11, 20181 votes

Not even just mid lane, this is stuff for every lane

YennFeb 10, 20186 votes

Camping you is not the same as impacting the game. If you're being camped, it mean your team mates aren't winning and the jungler has nowhere else to put their attention.

Or more likely, you're playing badly and pushed to the enemy tower without a ward, while your team mates are actually good and warding/not pushing their lanes, so you're the only choice for the jungler to gank.

eXtreemoFeb 10, 201810 votes

Well in current state they can just look at someone who is generally okay and ignore him to focus on some other lanes. Thus making that other lane unfun. Especially when you are playing easily gankable champions. I'm Teemo only player and I'm always getting ganked and this is okay, I'm expecting it. BUT> WHen I'm wasting flash for towerdive or avading gank cause they caught me or my ward expired. Jungler doesn't stop there. he just returns again and again. ANd lane become dull and toxic. And jungler becomes fed and snowballing through all lanes. cause it's always +1 player at any giving time before all gather in middle and push. For me early game is VERY frustrating, cause jungler ignoring me "you are Teemo" or straight up losing his own jungle. It's only 20% of all games I'm playing jungler REALLY know what to do and when I'm ganked and focused he taking objectives or ganking someone else so we all good. But most of the time enemy jungler just constantly camping my lane and my experience as a Teemo player becomes MUCH WORSE especially when everyone starting to blame ME for being ME and playing Teemo. "Yes of you will be ganked, you picked Teemo DUH". Yeah but you could fucking help at least. And I see this even when I'm wining my lane and enemy jungler doesn't paying attention to me. he just ganking one lane (bot/mid) and letting them get fed. People can't play constantly with +1 player against them especially when there are so many opportunities now with all those plants hex flashes and gap closers to gank.

koshkyraFeb 10, 20186 votes

There is an area between "camping" and "not ignoring"

SalsonFeb 10, 20185 votes

If you decide to play carefully, they just gank you for fun.

Like they know they can't kill you unless you fuck up, but still do it to apply pressure. In these cases Toplaners usually lose about 30% hp and Midlaners 20% mana, along with some 10 cs and lane dominance.

The enemy Jungler loses absolutely nothing, as the respawn timers are fucked up, and losing 50%of their hp is meaningless as they actually heal in the Jungle.

"Oh, but your Jungler can punish that" I know, that's the problem. It directly confirms that Junglers have more impact than Solo laners....in a significantly easier role.

ChallengerTierFeb 11, 20183 votes

"gank you for fun" thats how the enemy junglers loses his team the game.

AzeranthFeb 11, 20182 votes

Hashinshin gets apublic stage, and suddenly ly everyone who has been hiding their true feelings comes out of the woods. Maybe Riot will actually fix their game

ChallengerTierFeb 11, 20186 votes

If riot listened to 10% of the shit on the boards the game would be dead in a week