The reason damage is too high.

The thigh guy··2 votes·2,312 views

I don’t think it’s the runes (for the most part)

It’s not even the champions. (For the most part)

It’s the INSANE amount of penetration and resistance shred in the game.

Specifically towards armor. Any time you buy and armor item, you just have to accept that’s 24% of the armor on it is gone. Because every game has a black cleaver.

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Eleshakai4 votes

It's also the fact that most games have 5 damage dealers, whereas an average game a few seasons ago had 3.5-4.

The thigh guy2 votes

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It's also the fact that most games have 5 damage dealers, whereas an average game a few seasons ago had 3.5-4.

And they can get away with having 5 damage dealers because tank stats are worthless.

Armor a problem? Bc, lord dominiks and lethality.

Magic resist a problem? Void staff, morello, and sorc shoes

Mad hp? Bork, liandries

Sustain? Executioners, morello, bramble.

Tank stats just get ignored by these items. All of which are core, and all of which aren’t all that expensive.

Not to mention every champion having some...... ahem. “%missing hp,%max hp, true damage, Undodgeable, low cooldown, mobility, movement speed steroid, resetting, ranged, hard cc giving ability in their kit. That also grants a shield, heal or backflip” note I’m exagerating, though not by much.

Eleshakai1 votes

I want to see a champion that has the ability you describe, btw. I really do. That ability would be so much fun to use.

The thigh guy1 votes

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I want to see a champion that has the ability you describe, btw. I really do. That ability would be so much fun to use.

Maybe if it was the entire kit and they couldn’t actually move lol.

5050BS3 votes

Its because Asian markets like .02s 100-0 kills

Śhunpo3 votes

It's most definitely because of the runes.

Airbend2 votes

Black Cleaver is such a shit item on most of champions, im not even gonna talk about it.The reason is RUNES, because they compnsete the weakneses that all champion hade on different stages of game.If you dont believe me, just look at PBE, and see what NEW DARK HARVEST do.It's plane idiotic to rework a rune that way. :D

The thigh guy1 votes

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Black Cleaver is such a shit item on most of champions, im not even gonna talk about it.The reason is RUNES, because they compnsete the weakneses that all champion hade on different stages of game.If you dont believe me, just look at PBE, and see what NEW DARK HARVEST do.It's plane idiotic to rework a rune that way. :D

Oh really? Then why is it in the top 5 most built items in the game?

Airbend1 votes

If you take data from all elos, it just because the item is in recomendet list's which are so outdated.Then there is like 20 champions that have good synergy with it because they can proke it passive fast - Lucian, MF,Garen, etc. The whole problem with damage originated from tanks, because RIOT dont know what tanks should do in game.Mid season 7 with some tank rework and items added left tanks dominating till the preaseason.No one liked that tanks could't be killed and did consistant damage so RIOT made some changes but it wasnt enouhg, so maybe somewhere around January this year they started pumping damage.Which still didnt adress the issue, so they reworked adc, etc. Tanks always created the problems originaly, which on creadet new problems - adc, brusiers, mages being dominiant, because someone needed to adres the problem.RIOT need to learn that tanks need to tank, but not deal so much damage(resolve tree). And if you look at the game itself tanks are not so ussless - the only one can kill tanks in late game are other tanks or bruisers, who build 80% tank items.Have a good time being assasin like Zed, Talon.LeBlanc or adc and going 1 vs 1 against full build Rammus,Amumu,Singed, Sejuanni etc.. And your logic can be applyed to every item.Why buy armmor item if 24% of it's already usless, then why buy 21 lethality so i can deal 15 more damage on autos against some tank.

LilxPaprika1 votes

let's be real there are no "shit" items in the game. I will say however that a lot of items are champion specific and that goes especially for resistance items. atm dps heroes hardly think twice to build somewhat defensively, when more damage is most often to go to route even when behind. and if they buffed the items then tanks would scale too much with it.

this is why I suggested this for gameplay + https://docdro.id/qG5Y6Ka

Daddy Ants2 votes

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let's be real there are no "shit" items in the game. I will say however that a lot of items are champion specific and that goes especially for resistance items. atm dps heroes hardly think twice to build somewhat defensively, when more damage is most often to go to route even when behind. and if they buffed the items then tanks would scale too much with it.

this is why I suggested this for gameplay + https://docdro.id/qG5Y6Ka

No shit items?

item 3056 would like a word.

AR URF2 votes

Actually it's the lethality items. %armor pen was a good idea for tanks and squishies alike. running around with 50 armor while the enemy has something like 40 lethality is just not a good idea. I don't know what riot was thinking. That and everyone rune is burst dmg.

Lovelle II1 votes

That's not it, its the lack of resistances from runes and masteries, plus all the damage amplification runes that exist. As someone that plays squishies, I blow up a lot faster than I used to in seasons long past, and the slightest mistakes equal instant death these days. If we removed half of the damage from runes alone, the game would be in a better spot. We shouldn't be able to pick up so much damage from runes.

Most of the runes should be like Inspiration, Fleet Footwork and/or Phase Rush, where they indirectly enhance a champion's strengths and/or help cover their weaknesses instead of just handing them damage.

Daddy Ants1 votes

Resistance shredding isn't the problem.

As Lovelle II said, It's because we have a lot less defensive stats to start the game with then previous seasons.

Sure they compensated the 9 armor but we didn't get back the 12 MR we had.

Shablagoo1 votes

Dmg isnt high anymore lol, its a lie if you say its high now.

Soul Dealer1 votes

I said it before and I will say it again: duskblade stormrazor and black cleaver need to be removed from the game plain and simple

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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I said it before and I will say it again: duskblade stormrazor and black cleaver need to be removed from the game plain and simple

Duskblade and Stormrazor I can get behind, but I do not see the issue with Black Cleaver.

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