I have to ask: Does CertainlyT actually try to make his champions as frustrating as possible?

Blåbæret··26 votes·3,391 views

Cuz it sure as heck seems like it.

Yasuo Kalista Thresh Darius Zoe are all pure cancer to face on the Rift. Why doesn't Riot take player experience seriously? Where is the fun in playing against champions who remove all your agency? Where is the fun in playing against champions who are deliberately crafted as cancerous through annoying sounds, "way of being", physical looks, frustrating mechanics (mobility, hooks, lack of clear counterplay etc.).

CertainlyT has literally made the most hated champions in this game, and to me it has become crystal clear with the release of Zoe that they're completely okay with CerainlyT making the game a miserable experience for everyone but the player playing one of his champions.

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Void Baboon RF12 votes

CertainlyT always had a problem overloading his champions kits but no one at Riot ever seems to call him out on it.

Zoe's E is a prime example. Why does it get double range when it goes through terrain? Why does it let you do double damage? Why does it leave behind a viktor gravity field WHEN YOU MISS? Why does it get 30% cdr when you land it? Zoe's E is practically Morg's Q but with 5 different passives tacked on.

My running theory is certainlyt has absolutely no real faith in his actual designs so in order to coerce people into playing his champions he overloads them with passives and stats so you have to play them or else you just end up being the bitch that gets to sit at tower and watch yasuo jerk off for 20 mins while he outplays himself. That or he has an incredibly small penis and 1 passive = +1 inch. Either one.

Raveolution2 votes

buffed Nidalee Q (which was reworked because it was too oppressive to play agains't and NOT AOE), buffed Ahri W(adding dashes, heals, shields, etc for no reason), buffed Viktor W (E), and then a slightly altered Kassadin R (the only part of her kit that isn't overloaded). Blows my mind that people call him original for his designs. He literally just takes other abilities and makes them ridiculous.

Ahris11 votes

I do think after Zoe he just designs champ that is fun for the player that plays it (obviously cuz broken) and horrible for those facing it. Going against Zoe and getting hit by E doesn't feel like outplayed at all.

Mig891 votes

I agree with this. It’s obnoxious to get hit by or see and ally get hit by it. It almost makes me wish we could auto attack our own teammates for counterplay

Heartmix2 votes

The same could be said about going against ahri and getting hit by e? anivia and getting hit by q? syndra and getting hit by e? lol.

Ahris3 votes

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The same could be said about going against ahri and getting hit by e? anivia and getting hit by q? syndra and getting hit by e? lol.

Harder to dodge Zoe's E as it can go through walls. You cant really dodge it unless you have the entire jungle warded.

At least for ahri and others, they are usually in your vision range, so you see them trying to cc you, and for some champ if they miss, they can engage and kill the enemy laner.

Though for Ahri, she doesnt nearly have as much damage as Zoe or any other mage. Her landing charm wont be enough to kill you. Though, this should be changed.

Spicy Rice1 votes

There are so many abilities that cuck you if you can't see them coming though...

At least all her stuff is single target skill shots (though granted, her q does have a small aoe).

Valderis Vandala5 votes

Does CertainlyT actually try to make his champions as frustrating as possible?

Of course not, why would he want to cripple his own job?

The guy is probably just trying to add something truly unique to the game that hasn't been seen before, thats probably what all Riot designers strive for. Some of his champs are just so fantastically designed... Broken as fuck of course but still amazing in look and feel. XD

I hope he'll make an enchanter support some day, maybe then I'll get to join in on the hate train as I get to bring the "OP-ness" to the rift. XD

SEKAI6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-11-27T04:47:33.312+0000)

Of course not, why would he want to cripple his own job?

The guy is probably just trying to add something truly unique to the game that hasn't been seen before, thats probably what all Riot designers strive for. Some of his champs are just so fantastically designed... Broken as fuck of course but still amazing in look and feel. XD

I hope he'll make an enchanter support some day, maybe then I'll get to join in on the hate train as I get to bring the "OP-ness" to the rift. XD

Except if you actually analyse CT's designs, most of them are meta as fuck, but I guess when your designs are so unbelievably meta, people would actually think you're creative.

"Broken as fuck of course but still amazing in look and feel. XD" And that is literally what's wrong on this God's green earth.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

Meta is shaped by the players, that has nothing to do with it.

Look at Kalista, she's the poster child of champions with a overloaded kit. But man, what a cool looking champion who did so much different from other champions, she hops instead of walking and is able to throw teammates, and her spears sticking out of enemies looks cool. It's also a very interesting learning point for the League designers, her many particular strengths turned out to be an insanely OP combination, so much so that she had to be gutted and left inviable. Depending on how you look at it its a good thing, we learned something from it, mistakes happen when you keep trying out new things but its worth it because without it you can't progress or grow. This is not what is wrong on god's green earth, this is exactly what is right with it, its how we progress into a better future.

Thresh was also a breath of fresh air, a support champion that actually looks cool and baddass and dark and evil, when the norm is mostly just sexy ladies. And he still has a kit that doesn't feel out of place and somehow actually works. So much so that people hate him for how versatile the champion is.

The new Zoe champ is also very interesting. Her W is something we've never seen before, her E has that new interaction with walls that extents its range which is neat, and the whole champion can be summed up by "what can we do to make a nidalee spear work that isn't complete cancer". Its sad to see that she's currently still bugged up the ass but you know, we can appreciate the new things this champion brings to League.

SEKAI4 votes

You basically rationalise that CertainlyT making a train wreck is okay because "we learn something from it". Here is the deal, Riot has been making a ton of mistakes too, and most people criticise them for it. What makes the dude so different that their mistakes are seen almost only as steps forward and actually welcomed whereas we snap at Riot whenever they fuck something up?

This is what we call double standards.

Not to mention, let's face it, a lot of CertainlyT's mistakes are REOCCURRING from BOTH his own mistakes and other people's mistakes. It means they simply aren't paying attention at all whatsoever. So how and in what way is that progressive, when they keep making the same fucking mistakes that could have been easily avoided by looking at other designer's past mistakes as well as their own history?

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Thresh isn't a breath of fresh air in his looks. He's looks is something we can find in the bottom of DeviantArt. I mean, we complained about Death Sworn skins being bland as fuck, but somehow Thresh is a "breath of fresh air"? Nothing on this guy's physical appearance is remotely original and thoughtful besides the lantern, I will not hold this guy's physical design to any high esteem if I were you. Also he isn't somehow the first male support in the game you're making out to be, do you remember Alistar and Blitzcrank?

Speaking of Blitzcrank, you claim that Thresh "doesn't feel out of place and somehow actually works", that's because Thresh was literally a rip-off of Blitzcrank; their kits are almost identical. So much for CertainlyT's fucking creativity amiright? How Thresh even made it out of the design board in the first place, and hasn't been reworked like Fiora who was a rip-off of Yi, is anybody's guess. Thresh is literally an upgraded version of Blitzcrank, who's also literally designed to do it all, and is also a disgusting meme who represents everything wrong about cooperate's ruthless cutthroat and favouritism culture on many fronts (think about it, both in terms of workplace politics and marketing); and you just called him a good character, lol.

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I can also guess your age if "dark and evil" is literally your definition of cool. Maybe not your physical age, but I sure as hell can guess your mental age from that statement alone.

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Regarding Zoe: "Never seen before" is also a poor argument. If I go taking a selfie in the middle of a highway, that would probably be something nobody has seen before, and nobody has seen that because nobody is dumb enough to do it. While not absolute, but a lot of things are never or less seen, because it's really just a bad idea. It's not all rainbows and sunshine, appeal to novelty arguments of "never seen before therefore it's good" is considered a logical fallacy and invalid or at least severely less valid. Speaking of W, it's also extremely RNG dependent, something Riot has said to be completely against; but I guess when you're CertainlyT, everybody is just gonna give you a pass on every fucking thing.

"what can we do to make a nidalee spear work that isn't complete cancer" Except Zoe's Q is old Nid's spear that can also change direction. And Zoe has hard CC, Nid doesn't have any CC. Less cancer? Debatable at best.

Speaking of E, it literally has the power budget of an ultimate. If it hits, that's already 2 sec stun, which is already VERY powerful, but no, CertainlyT doesn't think it's remotely enough, and so: if it doesn't hit, it's an AoE trap that can potentially stun the whole team; if the target is put asleep, they take double damage from the next attack on them, yes, fucking double damage (and sure they tried to put a cap on it, but nope they only put a soft-cap because... idk fuck me); if you hit the E that already has a big hitbox, you should somehow also be rewarded with soft reset for some reason; and you should also be able to extend the range when you hit the walls, because of course no one should be able to zone and contest against her, and that she should be able to CC someone from 1/3 across the map with literally no risk for doing so. But I guess that's k because it's SO FUUNNNNNN. lol. Fuck off.

And you're saying she's less cancer than old Nidalee. LMAO

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Double standards, double standards. No.

CertainlyT is not some messiah, let's all be fucking real. He is just some random trash (imho) designer who's so trash everyone actually think he's good. No. I will never understand why people will keep sucking this failure's (imho) dick so much. This is me being very blunt here, because I've honestly had enough of his BS, and the fact not only no one is calling him out for his continuous and never ending catastrophic fuck-ups (or at least no one calling out on him has been seriously listened by Riot), people seem to actually love it when he repeatedly pulls his shit again and again with literally no improvement in sight, no respect for his fellow designers and the very game he's working on, and they just keep trying their overloading meta designs over and over again while the balance and reworks team commences a never-ending chase to clean up this guy's never-ending hot mess; and we not only don't cricitise him we encourage and cheer him on for it. For fuck sake.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

Seems to me you got way too much of a hate boner going on man.

But hey, you do you, it doesn't affect my life or enjoyment of the game.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T21:22:30.782+0000)

Seems to me you got way too much of a hate boner going on man.

But hey, you do you, it doesn't affect my life or enjoyment of the game.

I hate him in the same way how long time WoW players hated WoD expansion or the whatever facebook stuff what was forcibly tied in with the game.

CertainlyT is not making the game better in any way, shape, or form. They are literally not supposed to even work for titles like League of Legends as a designer for the game; their talent, assuming any, is simply not fit for this game, and there is no reason whatsoever that he's an esteemed designer at Riot. You see the issues with damage creeping, overloading (overloaded passives in particular), and mobility creeping slowly tearing the game apart and the competitive scene is spiraling into a joke (given how bad it already was to begin with); this guy while not the inventor of those things, he simultaneously pushed them forward with every single thing they do. And no, you don't get to say that he's just 1 fish in the pond, it's bad here because Riot itself is very clearly and actively taking note from this man. It's not looking good, at all.

I have given him enough benefits of the doubt already, and they haven't improved whatsoever. In fact, they've only gotten worse over these years. I've really had enough of this clown and all of those nonsensical fanfares surrounding him graced from both the community and Riot themselves, seriously, I've had enough. I just want him to go somewhere else, not fired, but just somewhere else; like, dude, just go somewhere, just stop trashing the game anymore than you've done already.

You can still enjoy them, but don't fault me for hating them noticeably influencing and changing the game for the far worst (for the reasons explained).

Valderis Vandala1 votes

I don't play WoW so I have no idea what you're talking about.

How is he not supposed to work for Riot Games? You're not making any sense there.

I don't play his champions, I don't enjoy playing his champions, they're just not for me.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T21:49:42.749+0000)

How is he not supposed to work for Riot Games?

I mean... as a designer.

Because as I've said it somewhere in another thread, CertainlyT is that guy in the group project who's completely out of sync with everybody else solely for the sake of it, who do not respect nor compromise within the team and continuously pump out stuff that requires other people to fix it for him; because they simply believe in themselves somewhere that they're just innately special and everybody else is sheep, unimaginative, and/or possibly dumb, and he's here to lead them and show how it's done. That's precisely how his self-marketing narrative about how he's some creative messiah here to save Riot or some shit even began.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before, because literally, he's JUST stepped into the designing scene; okay, there should be mistakes due to inexperienceness and immature arrogance; while I hate them for doing it, but I won't blame them too much. But then they actually think they're doing great with all the hot messes he's done, and that everyone should follow him; and worse, instead of a wake-up call, Riot and the community chose to spoil him for whatever reason. And here we are with CertainlyT, who knows no bounds, getting passes left and right, and actually believe the sheer utter broken nonsense like Zoe's E is actually okay. Have you not learned your lessons at all, my fucking dear?

At this stage, I don't even care about him. While I don't simply wish for him to get fired, but I want him out of the champion design scene of this game. Just literally, fuck off and go somewhere else.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

I see, thanks for the explanation. But like I said, it still just looks like a hate boner.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T22:10:43.326+0000)

I see, thanks for the explanation. But like I said, it still just looks like a hate boner.

Well, I am hating after all. It's not like I was even trying to hide that fact.

I was merely explaining, hopefully in detail, on why exactly I hate him, and not just regular hating him, why I end up hating him THIS much.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

I get that. We just disagree on a lot.

And I have to ask because you brought it up earlier. XD What is your age? If you don't mind sharing that info.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T22:28:53.867+0000)

I get that. We just disagree on a lot.

And I have to ask because you brought it up earlier. XD What is your age? If you don't mind sharing that info.

I am 23.

Valderis Vandala1 votes

I'm 34. Who's the young punk now eh? XD

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T22:50:23.298+0000)

I'm 34. Who's the young punk now eh? XD

Well, I did mention mental age in case things like this happen. Hmmmmmmmm

I still find Thresh really bland (initially I edited this out, but I will add this back in so your reply makes sense). Still, really, you can't really blame me for thinking that you're some edgy teens (we've all been there) when you claimed "dark and evil" is equivalent to cool.

That said, that line was more of an extra. I didn't put it there for too much of a serious reason, hence it was only 1 line.

Anyways.. ayyyy

Valderis Vandala1 votes

That's fine, that's your personal taste, everybody has champions they find bland. The point was that he is very different from the usual support line-up.

Alistar Blitzcrank Janna Karma Leona Lulu Lux Morgana Nami Sona Soraka Taric Zyra

Look at that. its just a row of sexy ladies with a cow and a robot thrown in for some reason. And the only evil one is morgana, and she doesn't really look all that evil in-game so meh.

It doesn't matter what our opinions are on how thresh looks, compared to that line up he's a breath of fresh air.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-27T23:14:23.620+0000)

That's fine, that's your personal taste, everybody has champions they find bland. The point was that he is very different from the usual support line-up.

Alistar Blitzcrank Janna Karma Leona Lulu Lux Morgana Nami Sona Soraka Taric Zyra

Look at that. its just a row of sexy ladies with a cow and a robot thrown in for some reason. And the only evil one is morgana, and she doesn't really look all that evil in-game so meh.

It doesn't matter what our opinions are on how thresh looks, compared to that line up he's a breath of fresh air.

where is Zilean ????

Valderis Vandala1 votes

Ah right, I forgot old beardy. My bad.

chipndip11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-27T23:14:23.620+0000)

That's fine, that's your personal taste, everybody has champions they find bland. The point was that he is very different from the usual support line-up.

Alistar Blitzcrank Janna Karma Leona Lulu Lux Morgana Nami Sona Soraka Taric Zyra

Look at that. its just a row of sexy ladies with a cow and a robot thrown in for some reason.

I lol'd.

Also don't bother arguing with hipsters.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku5 votes

Honestly... i don't play his champs... But i cant way to see his next. I think he make best champs, they don't tilt me like a fcking Mao, pant, maz... any point and clic cc sht

His champs are nice*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

Daimao3 votes

complains about opposing/enemy champions because of annoying sounds, "way of being", and physical looks

You want to know how I know you're a hysteric?

Blåbæret2 votes

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You want to know how I know you're a hysteric?

Not interested, but thanks for the offer.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

zlumpy3 votes

Pretty sure at one point it was stated that new champs are released in way that leaves they too strong for the most part. They do it to increase initial sales because they can just tune numbers later after everyone buys them. It's been a pretty common practice in league for a long time. I still remember xin's release. Bad times :(

SEKAI2 votes

{quoted}

Pretty sure at one point it was stated that new champs are released in way that leaves they too strong for the most part. They do it to increase initial sales because they can just tune numbers later after everyone buys them. It's been a pretty common practice in league for a long time. I still remember xin's release. Bad times :(

That's because players don't remember the ones being released UP and balanced, so ofc it would seem all champs were deliberately released OP.

Void Baboon RF2 votes

What makes you think Riot didn't try to make them OP and just failed

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Void Baboon RF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T12:30:21.775+0000)

What makes you think Riot didn't try to make them OP and just failed

Do note that with this reasoning one can also say Riot is trying to release champs balanced but just failed and they came off OP. It kinda goes both ways.

Spicy Rice1 votes

They have said it multiple times that they do not do this.

E.G. Release Kench Release Azir Release Gnar Release Vel'koz Release Kindred

xelaker3 votes

his philosophy is fun to play, terrible to face I guess.

JulieJuice3 votes

hey that's 5 champions, guess i know what team comp i'm gonna suggest to everyone i meet...

Devilreaper XIII2 votes

you forgot, riven, garen, cho gath, mundo, vayne, ezreal, fiora, zed, talon, lux, morgana, leblanc, fizz, akali, rakan, xayah, tristana, sona, katarina, blitzcrank, rengar, khazix, evelynn, nidalee, caitlynn, illaoi, brand, annie, swain, vladimir, xin zhao, hecarim, yi, leona, jarvan, shen, karma, jax and draven.

I Might Lose2 votes

Most hated champions? Thresh is probably the most loved support in the game

Blåbæret1 votes

By those who play him, sure. By everyone else? Nope.

Linna Excel1 votes

You are obviously not a Soraka main.

Darius Strada2 votes

The champions he makes can be cancerous to play against but damn, they are fun af.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

tbf kalista is less fun on your own team than the enemy team.

srsly though in only think Yas and kalista are pure cancer. Darius when overtuned is a nightmare sure. Thresh is good in too many cases but it feels like he has to outplay you. As for Zoe, it's kinda like fizz: Fun to play, kinda annoying to face.

so all in all fuck the guy fucking windwall lookin ass %%%%.

Quepha1 votes

I think he deliberately designs champions to be good in situations where champions in general are supposed to be bad.

Linna Excel1 votes

Warwick's rework proves otherwise.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

lack of clear counterplay

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