Should mages have a ''Black Cleaver''?

Taliyah Rocks··3 votes·514 views

Black Cleaver is core on so many champions, it's the kind of item you just can't go wrong buying it. It has a bit of everything, health, AD, CDR, movement speed and armor shred. AD champions have access to so much CDR from just about anywhere, whether you are a tank, an assassin or an adc, it's so easy to reach the cap without sacrificing anything.

But mages don't have such option. If you want to get some CDR you need to buy items that don't offer much power besides said CDR. Sure you can get either Morello or Athene, but getting both is a waste, and the only benefit they give is some AP, CDR and mana regen, even though most mages don't struggle with mana anymore outside of early game.

AP Bruisers are left with Liandry, that serves a similar purpose, but they have a hard time getting CDR unlike AD champs.

So should mages have an item similar to Black Cleaver? If not, why? Would it hurt the game if mages also had such a core item? Why is it safe for AD to have access to so much core stats on a single item but not for AP?

9 Comments

VictoryDance961 votes

I feel that every time that Rito tries to make an item for mages similar to something for AD champs, we end up disappointed. Remember when Luden's Ekko was supposed to be the Mage's Statikk Shiv?

xl Kirito lx1 votes

Black cleaver broke tanks. As nice as it would be to have AP viable again, I'd prefer them not to be incredibly dominant.

Taliyah Rocks2 votes

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Black cleaver broke tanks. As nice as it would be to have AP viable again, I'd prefer them not to be incredibly dominant.

If AP had a similar item, would they both be on par?

Darius and Gnar can be tanky as hell, and still have tons of damage and CDR thanks to BC, but if Sejuani and Elise want damage, tankyness and CDR, they can't, they can only get two out of the three stats.

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Would it be fair if we had an ad rabadons also then?

I always thought Infinity Edge was Rabadon for AD. As IE multiplies crit just like Rabadon multiplies AP. Sure Crit is a secondary stats, but AP have neither crit or atk speed. Both are meant to be built for champions stacking a max amount of damage.

Hayaishi21 votes

We've spent years under AP dominance, i for one welcome our new AD overlords.

ßurst1 votes

Would it be fair if we had an ad rabadons also then?

Vexful1 votes

Amumu Ryze Kayle Have MR shred on them. Careful with the concept there. I get what you're saying but if you can lower MR too much (like how item 3071 Vi can turn the enemy tank into a squishy low armor joke), then tanks will be useless.

IcyPepper1 votes

A new cdr item wouldn't hurt, but I wouldn't want a carbon copy of black cleaver for AP.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

ALL they gotta do is introduce the reworked abyssal scepter as a new line for sunfire cape.

WoonStruck1 votes

Tbh, I just use a 30% CDR page on people that can't efficiently itemize CDR. More CDR itemization would break mages though. I do NOT want to see the terror that is LB with a damage-focused AP CDR item.

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