This is the reason why Zyra is so strong in lane

The Deckowner·Oct 22, 2016·4 votes·932 views

Her plants are a nightmare to kill. If you are a ranged support, it takes 3 hit to kill, if you are a melee support, you take free damage from the plant, if the adc also attacks the plant, enemy adc gets free fire onto your duo lane.

What feels worse, is as a ranged support with 400 aa range, you autos the plant with your slow ass attack speed while tanking the damage, and the plant times out before you kill it.

I never feel like other champions with pet/minion/turrethas as much of a problem as Zyra. Heimer turrets gets kill by 1 auto from adc, malzahar voidlings are melee, Azir soilders requires him to control them with auto attack, and most importantly, none of these abilities are just randomly passively spawning. I think her plant need to either be easier to kill or have a longer seed spawn cd.

10 Comments

CalabokOct 22, 20161 votes

ORLY??

AHarmlessTacoOct 22, 20161 votes

I mean, you're not wrong. But the thing is, you don't fight that plants. Like, period. Not worth. Nada. Bait out her spells, step on her seeds, all in the shit out of her with a gank. I do think the little guys are a bit overtuned but it is nice to see her plants ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. Also keep in mind that her spawns are random and that she doesnt otherwise have a passive.

The DeckownerOct 22, 20162 votes

The problem is, she can use her abilities to proc the seed while you are walking toward the seed and a plant simply spawns in melee range with you. It is actually so dumb that she can use max range Q that is still 100 units away from the seed and the seed would still spawn a plant.

AHarmlessTacoOct 22, 20161 votes

Yeah there is definitely some degree of mind games in trying to bait her spells and sometimes there isnt much you can do about it. It is kind of hard to say though because for the longest time she was clunky as hell and her plants felt useless. Now she feels very smooth and her plants are pretty solid, so it's hard to really pick out where she would need changes. Her plants arent reliable damage tbh so nerfing them wouldn't be great. Plus like I said, random spawn, so nerfing spawn rate wouldnt be great either. IMO increasing her CD on Q might help a bit, but overall I would just say try hard to bait the spells and if that doesnt work, put pressure on her until you can safely stomp the seed. Otherwise yeah you have to wait for a gank and play uber safe.

CrazyBear1987Oct 22, 20161 votes

She IS a pain if you allow her to set up and you step into her them.

: Burn them, BURN THEM ALL!

The DeckownerOct 22, 20162 votes

League of legends physic: Fire doesn't ignite plants.

CrazyBear1987Oct 22, 20162 votes

Hate that XD imagine if Nami or Leona abilities had synergy with Zyra XD

The DeckownerOct 22, 20161 votes

zombie brand does get 1 extra gold for killing zyra tho, and vice versa.

LankPantsOct 22, 20161 votes

I don't think Zyra being strong in lane is a huge issue, any mage who you pick from mid and run bot will be strong early because most mages have a early bias in their powercurve. If you nerf her earlygame you risk crippling her out of mid, because she'd lack the ability to trade with other mid laners.

What actually needs to happen with Zyra is that she should fall off with low AP builds. Her plants need lower damage/level with higher damage/AP so that running her bot doesn't just give you an extra mage.

If she fell off her strong early would be less of an issue anyway, how many support Syndras do you see?

The DeckownerOct 22, 20161 votes

My yitle might not be very well worded, what I meant by "strong" is "annoyance" and "unfairness".

Like it really feels like shit to try kill her plant.