cassio players were complaining that she wasn't a dot mage anymore

CrabPeopleReform·Jun 20, 2017·28 votes·1,892 views

right now she seems even more a spam e mage than dot mage her q is just to use e and lost big poision damage from w

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GelmousJun 20, 201719 votes

she was always a dot champ spamming E and she still is

MarshbouyJun 20, 20171 votes

I remember people getting more annoyed about how her old, interesting passive was removed for flat MS/level EDIT: alright i'm wrong now leave me alone

JulanusJun 20, 201711 votes

Which passive do you mean?

Her original passive, or the passive from her first rework?

Bear in mind, Cassiopeia has had at least 2 reworks.

MarshbouyJun 20, 20172 votes

the one where you had to micromanage her Q to stack poison and get tons of AP.

QuephaJun 20, 201718 votes

That was one of the most hated passives in the history of League. It felt like an obvious, arbitrary timer shackling Cassiopeia's power until certain game timestamps.

MarshbouyJun 20, 20172 votes

really? I remember a bunch of people getting angry that her passive was getting removed.

QuephaJun 20, 201711 votes

and I remember the absolutely massive shitstorm after the Shurima event.

MarshbouyJun 20, 20174 votes

TL;DR communities hate change

QuephaJun 20, 201710 votes

The anger about the Shurima rework was different. Multiple threads with hundreds of replies filling up the boards, complaints lasting for months. Riot really screwed up that rework on a monumental scale.

Some people were skeptical about the no-boots passive but most warmed up to it after some time.

ArakadiaJun 20, 20171 votes

I liked the passive. Although it wasn't why I liked Cass, so I was fine with the change.

Cosmic WarperJun 21, 20172 votes

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really? I remember a bunch of people getting angry that her passive was getting removed.

i don't remember that at all, and i used to frequent the cassiopeia subreddit. Absolutely everyone hated the stupid gated stacking passive. Stashu will never be forgiven for that

Mestm97Jun 20, 20172 votes

As a Cassio main, i hated that passive, only good for Support Cassio (Which was fun but nothing more), in the other hand the mana one was very funny. Still her new passive works. The only one i remember talking about how he liked her second passive was MagikarpUsedFly and he tends to talk "serious" about things he don't even know (See the dominion critique with only one game as Brand).

TwitchInMyPantsJun 20, 20172 votes

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she was always a dot champ spamming E and she still is

Her Q used to be her primary skill before the last rework though. You could stay out of E range and focus on poking with Q and get decent trades against midrange mages.

Its a pretty different style than painting them with Q and spamming E. She feels almost like Urgot with that pattern. Its not a weak pattern, she has burst earlier in the game, but its one older Cass players don't like.

CatastropJun 20, 201710 votes

Do you people not realize her poison is actually good standalone damage? Just go Q max and live your DoT mage dreams.

korg023Jun 21, 20172 votes

Yeah if you want to troll :)

CatastropJun 21, 20175 votes

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Yeah if you want to troll :)

Um, sure if you miss every one of them.

VoidbringersJun 20, 20176 votes

Cass main here--she's fine as is. Don't fuck it up for Cass mains, please. She's finally in a balanced state; I don't want my champ to get stuck in an endless rework cycle again. They really just need to make a new DoT mage.

CanastusJun 20, 20173 votes

Yeah, she's still an extremely E-focused champion. I just wish they'd finally enable her to deal actual poison damage, maybe some kind of choice linked to her passive to let you choose between more poison or a Twin Fang style of gameplay? Having power in both would be probably too much.

Making Cass a more poison based champ would actually require her to continously land her skillshots which is a far healthier approach compared to the point and click mechanic of her Twin Fangs.

LauchmelderJun 20, 20172 votes

Simple approach would be that you could chose your E skill once you level it.

Want to go for DPS? Take twin-fangs. Want to be a DoT mage? Take a new skill.

What would that new skill look like though? Her old W? Or something entirely new?

AbiwonKenabiJun 20, 20173 votes

Perhaps the choice could be some kind of increase depending on your preferred play style. A choice that would have your Twin-Fangs increase your poison damage, or the poison increase your Twin-Fangs damage. So it would be a similar kit but how one was used would enable the other.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 20, 20172 votes

And her E focused playstyle is cancerous as fuck. She doesn'T need Q to harass you 24/7 with no cooldown on E but it doesn't matter much outside of levels 1/2 but once she DOES hit you with Q you have no chance to get away or fight back if she knows what she is doing. That MS buff is soo stupid on her.

ArakadiaJun 20, 20179 votes

Her E does really pathetic damage if your not poisoned.

TeCoolMageJun 21, 20171 votes

It's really good level 1 but trash every other time.

CasterGilgameshJun 20, 20173 votes

i think (not sure) that most cass of her mains are ok ATM or just gave up since riot doesnt care about her i mean seriously we get a fuckin Tryndamere skin and yet still no sign of a new cass skin

waiting for WoWJun 20, 20173 votes

MAKE RYLAI'S GREAT AGAIN

korg023Jun 21, 20171 votes

Why down vote ? I agree that item 3116 slow was bullshit but buff its base AP and HP so its worth an item slot in late game.

LunarStrikeJun 20, 20172 votes

Her whole kit revolves around spamming one ability. It's great once you get tear, but it means she gets outscsled easily :/

AbiwonKenabiJun 20, 201716 votes

I always thought Cass scaled quite well, even in her current state.

Meep ManJun 20, 20172 votes

I think it's more the innate nature that, once late game comes around, she basically just gets outscaled by Marksman when it comes to clipping down targets due to Critical Hits. Late game, she becomes much more of a utility mage than a scaling carry-type mage since she really can't out-DPS a Marksman and doesn't have the raw scaling power of a few Battle Mages/Burst Mages like Veigar, Ryze, and Vladimir.

The SoulforgedJun 20, 20171 votes

I think recently, playing her in teamfights has become a lot more dangerous, so I feel that with meta shifts she's becoming worse in the lategame. Her actual dps is insane lategame though.

sir d wreckJun 21, 20172 votes

She scales very well but unfortunately she has to shed them very often.

VumzucesJun 20, 20171 votes

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Her whole kit revolves around spamming one ability. It's great once you get tear, but it means she gets outscsled easily :/

you mean the exact opposite.. she doesnt buy boots and has scaling items such as tear.

Darth WestJun 20, 20172 votes

As enjoyable as it is to cheese someone at lvl 2-3 as Cass, I find it kind of boring to spam E 24/7 lol.

It was the main thing that made me not want to play her anymore after I tried her for a good 4 days worth.

Random:

I used to love Aurelion Sol, but geez.. He feels so clunky to play with his stars and everything. Assassins delete him from existence and whenever you are 2nd-3rd pick, you get countered hard, he's way to risky. Although his E sets him up for great ganks, which was the main thing I liked.

korg023Jun 21, 20171 votes

That is new Riot ideology , make clunky champion and call it window of counterplay :D I remember when they reworked Graves and made his autos some aoe bullshit that can be blocked by minions. Made him reload his gun and non existent AS. Even if he dealt 100000 damage it feels so clunky to play and i can never get used to it... i bet someone feels the same as me.

EROTIC RAID BOSSJun 20, 20172 votes

it seems like people stopped complaining so they got over the fact that she's never been a malzahar type champ, or realized that the new version of cass is actually pretty satisfying despite being in the same model of gameplay as the previous one.

ZapMyHeartJun 21, 20172 votes

The only thing that really bothers me about Cass is her ult. If you whiff it, it's still 40% slow for all 3 ranks. I would like to see a 40/50/60% slow at least...considering majority of the champions have some form of dash, it'd be nice to kinda keep them somewhat within range if they happen to panic dodge her stun...

YoungFarmerJun 21, 20172 votes

Riot even said they were going to try and change her from her E rapid fire kit. But they lied and didnt lol.

Autrah FangJun 20, 20171 votes

so.... basically how she was in her last rework? just no arbitrary stacking passive to make her weak until late game? and her q actually does do damage by itself now?

i see nothing new here. technically though, her E spam does make her a DoT mage, since she uses it multiple times to kill somebody :P

korg023Jun 21, 20171 votes

The true DoT mage is Malzahar, Cass is just mage that burst down people really fast or slowly if they are tanky i wouldnt call it the same design.

The DeckownerJun 21, 20171 votes

How is Cassio weak early? She is probably one of the strongest lv1 with Corrupting Pot.

Autrah FangJun 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqI3dKny,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2017-06-21T00:34:01.475+0000)

How is Cassio weak early? She is probably one of the strongest lv1 with Corrupting Pot.

i said her old passive made her weak early. i made no comment on her current early game power.

korg023Jun 21, 20171 votes

I noticed this too,Q damage is so low and everything revolves around her E now. I guess that is one way to balance her but it feels like playing some sort of ADC that has auto attacks on his E.

Her Q is used mostly for marking targets and getting MS buff and her W is for grounding and slow i guess. It makes sense but she is no longer DoT mage she is more of an Burst or Sustain damage mage idk...