after you've made doran ring passive unique

CrabPeopleReform·Jun 19, 2017·193 votes·6,072 views

can't you revert nautilus mana nerfs? since he got nerfed for this reason?

110 Comments

Jo0oJun 19, 201733 votes

Yes please.

CrabPeopleReformJun 19, 20174 votes

can't believe i got downvoted probabily the guy who downvoted would agree to lee buffs xd

Legacy HydralphaJun 19, 20178 votes

can't believe i got downvoted probabily the guy who downvoted would agree to lee buffs xd

Wait, what does that have to do with disagreeing with an opinion? (Wasn't me, just in case)

CrabPeopleReformJun 19, 20172 votes

cause people who thinks jinx lee sin thresh ahri vayne zed are fine should not be allowed to have an opinion

Legacy HydralphaJun 19, 20178 votes

...Really?

IMO I think Zed and Jinx are in good states at the moment.

SanctimoniousJun 19, 20173 votes

Jinx hasn't been decent since season 5. We will naturally see her come back when 1-2 beefy people show up, and assassins aren't as prevalent.

Cosmic WarperJun 19, 201711 votes

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cause people who thinks jinx lee sin thresh ahri vayne zed are fine should not be allowed to have an opinion

ahri vayne zed and jinx are fine.... sometimes i wonder why people even play this game if all they do is whine, even about champions that are balanced

rework trundleJun 19, 20177 votes

all the champs you listed are low elo stompers, only ahri does good with high play rate past that

Cosmic WarperJun 19, 20172 votes

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all the champs you listed are low elo stompers, only ahri does good with high play rate past that

it's not like they're bad in high elo either... zed is the only one out of those champs with a WR below 49% in plat+

Bottom LanerJun 19, 201725 votes

Jinx is fine, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn fine. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Velzard of KozJun 19, 20177 votes

And hot.

mrgiraffeweevilJun 19, 201715 votes

Not as hot as this hunk: Velkoz

NuparuJun 20, 20174 votes

mrgiraffeweevilJun 21, 20171 votes

yeah, but http://apollo-na-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1418864949436/VelKozhasbecomeengrossedwithanal....png

sir d wreckJun 20, 20176 votes

Eye'm gonna have to eyegree with you.

Icathian CreedJun 20, 20173 votes

Love your name, almost named myself Koz of Vel instead of Maw of Kog

AirKingNeoJun 20, 20172 votes

Jinx is fine. Lee Sin is a bit strong, but mostly fine. Thresh is not fine. He does need nerfs due to his ability to invalidate melee carries too much. Ahri is a bit strong, but mostly fine. Vayne is underpowered, though bad design. Zed is perfectly fine.

Debate if you wish, but know you'll lose or be forced to deny facts. Also, not being able to prove yourself makes your opinion meaningless.

FluffySoxOfDoomJun 20, 20171 votes

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Jinx is fine. Lee Sin is a bit strong, but mostly fine. Thresh is not fine. He does need nerfs due to his ability to invalidate melee carries too much. Ahri is a bit strong, but mostly fine. Vayne is underpowered, though bad design. Zed is perfectly fine.

Debate if you wish, but know you'll lose or be forced to deny facts. Also, not being able to prove yourself makes your opinion meaningless.

I think Thresh is fine simply because he isn't easy to play and because if you're not good you will not be effective whatsoever.

AirKingNeoJun 20, 20178 votes

Doesn't matter. Skillcap is not a lever of balance nor should ever be.

Faceroll TacticsJun 20, 20172 votes

Yes let's nerf riven, yasuo, lee sin, azir, kalista, orianna, vayne and countless others around their skill cap and have them become meme champions under challenger level

Crede777Jun 20, 20172 votes

Skill cap only acts as a barrier early in the champion's existence. Once a champ has been out long enough, there are enough people who have mastered that champion. Then, playing that champ is no harder than any other champ.

Riot should not make a champ stronger than others just because he or she is "harder" to play.

LeBlanc RoseJun 20, 20171 votes

So your argument is that it shouldn't matter how good a person is with a champion, they should be fine?

So Annies should be able to stomp Azirs? So Garens Should be able to Stomp Rumbles?

Crede777Jun 20, 20172 votes

No, I am arguing the opposite.

If Annie and Azir are equally strong champs with the same power budget, a good Annie would stomp an average azir. A good azir would stomp an average annie. And a good Annie vs. A good Azir would come down to who played better at that point in time.

LeBlanc RoseJun 21, 20171 votes

The issue is, that it takes hundreds of games to get 'average' at azir, but almost anyone can play a semi decent annie. With the reward exactly the same, why should someone play azir, when they can do exactly the same with annie but easier?

Crede777Jun 21, 20171 votes

This overestimates the difference in complexity between the two champs. The gap in effort required to master the most complex champ and the most basic champ is tiny when compared to other skills which play a bigger role - farming, map awareness, rotations, understanding what opponent champions can do, etc.

At any decent level, it doesn't take more than a few games to become comfortable with a particular champ.

Why would I choose Azir over Annie if they were equally strong? One, Azir out ranges annie. This is important depending on the matchup. Two, Azir is more mobile with his Q -> E. Three, Azir has better disengage while Annie has better engage. Four, Azir is more sustained damage through a headlight while Annie is about burst.

LeBlanc RoseJun 21, 20171 votes

Then why not pick something like Jayce, that has all the benefits you stated AND is easier?

Xion The XIVJun 20, 20173 votes

Have you seen a 0/8 Oriana with item 3165 and item 3285 one shot non-tanks when she is so far behind? Because I have. Her kit is too busted to be perfectly fine. There is no skill cap for her small ass combo to burst non-tanks instantly. I know she has a decent skill gap, but Q and W and see someone loose 90% of their HP does not make it a healthy mid laner. With the fact it's an aoe makes it more disgusting.

ZelnorackJun 19, 201723 votes

Like with Cinderhulk in ages past, when Sej, Naut, and a few others were nerfed because of how good it was, then the item was nerfed and the champs left to rot for the most part, they won't do it.

That'd involve RIOT admitting a mistake. Lord knows they can't do something as simple as reverting a change.

GULAG 4 UJun 19, 201713 votes

Also known as:

Sejuanism or The Sated Devourer Special.

AirKingNeoJun 20, 20175 votes

I WANT MY 5 AD BACK

Source: Kayle main who wanrs to jungle again.

TwitchInMyPantsJun 19, 20176 votes

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Like with Cinderhulk in ages past, when Sej, Naut, and a few others were nerfed because of how good it was, then the item was nerfed and the champs left to rot for the most part, they won't do it.

That'd involve RIOT admitting a mistake. Lord knows they can't do something as simple as reverting a change.

"Hmmm Nautilus seems weak. I know, what about we give him a minigame where he has to pull treasure out of the walls with his Q to get bonus true damage!"

OceanicEyesJun 20, 20176 votes

cries out in Skarner main

FluffySoxOfDoomJun 20, 20174 votes

{quoted}

Like with Cinderhulk in ages past, when Sej, Naut, and a few others were nerfed because of how good it was, then the item was nerfed and the champs left to rot for the most part, they won't do it.

That'd involve RIOT admitting a mistake. Lord knows they can't do something as simple as reverting a change.

They UNREWORKED a champion because they messed up. So check your facts.

Dextix LTJun 20, 20172 votes

Yea, one champion out of how many failures?

CasterGilgameshJun 20, 20171 votes

who was that?

SqkergJun 20, 20173 votes

Kog'maw

LAKIGRJun 20, 20172 votes

They didn't revert his ult so rip ap kog

ZelnorackAug 9, 20171 votes

Why don't you realize that my comment from 2 months ago was of a time before yours?

A time that was about 4 YEARS ago.

RocketRelmJun 19, 201721 votes

Sejuani "He's had his time in the spotlight."

Bard to BelieveJun 20, 20178 votes

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can't you revert nautilus mana nerfs? since he got nerfed for this reason?

reverting nerfs after an item change?

yeah. right.

Sejuani got a rework before that happened.

Daddy Tie Me UpJun 19, 20172 votes

Fuck no. Its the end of tank meta, time to start using your brain.

PaquayJun 19, 20176 votes

Ahh, an adc main I see. It's a good thing you have the brain power to use your one-button damage output.

Yaśuo MainJun 19, 20179 votes

This has nothing to contribute to any discussion that is being had at this post. I see that you decided to comment for a purpose that is to act rude for god knows what.

ninjaroxasJun 20, 20171 votes

neither does the comment he responded to or your comment

Yaśuo MainJun 20, 20172 votes

"its the end of the tank meta" has to do with the OP's post so yes it does. Mine wouldn't due to the fact that paquay's didn't either obviously, so try again buddy.

ninjaroxasJun 20, 20171 votes

um no it didn't contribute anything to naut needing changes, it was him insulting people that play tanks. considering he has been down voted to hell more people seem to be on the same line as me

Yaśuo MainJun 20, 20171 votes

Uhh he is insulting the OP not everyone who plays tanks, and "its the end of the tank meta" means naut should not be getting a nerf reverted.

PB4UAMEJun 19, 20171 votes

Pray tell, what tank meta have we ever had? Even Cinderhulk wasn't a tank meta, everyone just lost their shit that it was always tanks being played in top lane, and that tank junglers were on par with every other archetype, minus Sej who was a bit of an outlier.

PB4UAMEJun 19, 20178 votes

When you see tanks picked over mages and ADCs, then you might have the ground to stand on to call it a tank meta.

Seeing 0-1 tanks per team, however, is anything but a tank meta.

ForeverLaxxJun 19, 20175 votes

It's always a "tank meta" when some players can't delete any champion they please in a fraction of a second. Being forced to deal damage over a full second to take someone out is a foreign concept to them that they believe needs to be rectified.