i remember volibear getting gutted for having 54%w.r yet low play rate

Why are you comparing a champion like Volibear to Thresh? This doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong I think Thresh is overloaded and could use a few small tweaks but the reason volibear shouldn't be at that high a winrate too long is because some champions are far more oppressive than others when very strong and popular. A super tanky bear running at you and ccing you while also doing a large amount of damage is not fun when there are little options to retaliate. That's why he was nerfed down to a state where it wasn't as oppressive as it was.

Take when Ahri nerfs were the hot topic on the boards. This exact comparison was made, saying Volibear got gutted immideitely but Ahri was allowed to stay at that winrate for longer. At the end of the day, she is still a squishy burst mage that can get cced and bursted, while when volibear was strong it felt so oppressive. Did Ahri need small nerfs? Yes, and she got them but it wasn't as big of an issue because again she could be far more easily shut down compared to a Volibear. You cannot keep using these kind of comparisons to get a champion nerfed.

You guys should write well thought out posts on what you feel the issue with the champion you wanted nerfed is and then give suggestions, not "omg look rito favoritism strikes again xd". What is Riot supposed to do with that information? They don't care if they show favoritism, they even admitted it with Lee. You need to give ideas for nerfs that both parties will be happy with.

Volibear is not comparable to Thresh. Voli is much more oppressive when very meta.

As someone who mained Voli at the time, he did need those nerfs. He was super oppressive if could get any kind of lead. Did they go a bit too far? Possibly, but Voli really needs a real rework. With the way he is now, hes either oppressive or dumpstered, there isn't much in between.

Thresh only 54%> if you looking at high ELO.

Voli was overall.

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Ever hear of a good counterpick, but an underpowered champion overall?

look again i will say this 54% is if you suck he percentage is less than that , if you good would be 54 or more %

Once again someone trying to use Win rate and pick % as a justification for nerfs. That said, in this case you are correct that Thresh needs nerfs. I judge this based on how complex champions tend to have low winrates where as simple champions have high win rates. Thresh is very much so a complex champion and hard to play yet his numbers are so high it's easy for players to win with him. When you have such a complex champion with a high win rate there is something off with the champion. If I had to guess I'd say he just has WAY too high base numbers. He has higher numbers then every other support. Every one of his abilities has higher stats (some divided with extra passives) then any other support. It looks like this was gated with high CDs on a lot of his abilities leaving him little to do after his combo but such high numbers will inevitably give him an advantage over other supports. Even if you miss Q the missed damage can be made up with high R and E damage, he's also a ranged champion so he can trade easily and deal extra damage. He also has scaling for both armor and AP/soul built into his passive allowing even more damage. He has insane amounts of CC both hard and soft and a game breaking ability that can save his allies.

All this complexity and versatility should come at a cost and high cooldowns are not an effective enough gate anymore because tanky support items have lot of CDR now. Before, Tank support itemization had very little CDR but now it is easy to get 40% CDR with tank support items. This was a HUGE buff to Thresh because his power is gated by CDs. If you remove that he becomes top tier really fast.