So Syndra's win rate is 40% today

Abyssphere·Jan 17, 2015·14 votes·2,138 views

Is she bugged or have the nerfs really hit her that hard? That is an unacceptable win rate and I dread to see what'll happen to her when DFG is removed.

#savethemages

37 Comments

SmokingPuffinJan 17, 201512 votes

Syndra stun seems to be bugged. Sometimes does damage, but no stun.

Maybe related to the CC mechanic "fixes" in the patch.

AbyssphereJan 17, 20151 votes

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Syndra stun seems to be bugged. Sometimes does damage, but no stun.

Maybe related to the CC mechanic "fixes" in the patch.

Thanks for the info :) Hope it gets fixed soon.

Get RekkktJan 17, 20158 votes

not only is her stun a shitton harder to hit, even when it does hit it doesnt stun em alot of the time...theres some vids out of this

AkumuJan 18, 20158 votes

Her stun is massively bugged. Maybe 30% of it the time it passes right through the target but does not stun.

AlorasenceJan 18, 20155 votes

Riot did what they've had a bad habit of doing lately...

Reacted too late to a champion's dominance and nerfed after the power spike had passed.

The grail nerfs, the assassin surge, and the upcoming removal of DFG puts her in a precarious position.

She should have been left alone.

RaptameiJan 18, 20152 votes

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Riot did what they've had a bad habit of doing lately...

Reacted too late to a champion's dominance and nerfed after the power spike had passed.

The grail nerfs, the assassin surge, and the upcoming removal of DFG puts her in a precarious position.

She should have been left alone.

She should never have been buffed in the first place.

She's supposed to be hard to use, but she was dumbed down to the point where she only looks difficult but in reality a trained monkey could play her. Stun people with orbs that haven't fully spawned yet? Sure! Press QE at the same time on the enemy and get an instant nearly unavoidable stun instead of having to set it up? Sure! Double tap grab and it just grabs whatever instead of having to actually choose something to grab? Sure! Range extension added to point and click hyper nuke ult to negate its only drawback? Sure!

The same thing happened to Sejuani (and was followed by nerfs immediately afterwards), Zyra (who is supposedly about plant turrets but doesn't need to care about setting them up at all) and recently happened to Riven (who now animation cancels automatically).

PhifeJan 17, 20154 votes

'Today' isn't anything that can be used statistically.

#shutthefuckup

AbyssphereJan 17, 20156 votes

[{quoted}](name=MY NAMEH JEFF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqB5YdE0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-01-17T23:02:38.226+0000)

'Today' isn't anything that can be used statistically.

#shutthefuckup

It is (at all ranks) when a win rate changes as drastically as this. At Master+ then one day is pointless to discuss but there's no reason for a win rate to change drastically from one day to the next when you take into account a high enough number of games (which a universal win rate does).

No need to be so aggressive.

PhifeJan 18, 20152 votes

I need to be aggressive because people like you shouldn't be posting about game play and balance issues after a change in a single day. They reduced her damage by 20 on her Q and made her Q+E combo much more realistic than before.

Sightless66Jan 18, 20152 votes

And they bugged the shit out of her E so it just doesn't work sometimes. That matters too.

TauNoob1Jan 18, 20151 votes

And then you realize that THOUSANDS of games are played with her every day. You don't need to wait long if you have that many people playing her seeing this huge change.

mi ramfanJan 18, 20152 votes

One day isn't a large enough sample size to be useful as a point of comparison.

Hell, in Challenger a champion could have a 40% win rate one day and a 60% win rate the next. That's still an average 50% win rate over the two days.

In general for stats like this, weekly stats are the minimum before we start getting into issues with sample size. I prefer monthlies or patch by patch stats, but if you need some kind of feedback NOW weeklies are good enough.

Penguin EclipseJan 18, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=mi ramfan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqB5YdE0,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2015-01-18T19:35:58.086+0000)

One day isn't a large enough sample size to be useful as a point of comparison.

Hell, in Challenger a champion could have a 40% win rate one day and a 60% win rate the next. That's still an average 50% win rate over the two days.

In general for stats like this, weekly stats are the minimum before we start getting into issues with sample size. I prefer monthlies or patch by patch stats, but if you need some kind of feedback NOW weeklies are good enough.

The second day is already showing a similar winrate.

Syndra was overnerfed.

XonraJan 18, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=MY NAMEH JEFF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqB5YdE0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-01-17T23:02:38.226+0000)

'Today' isn't anything that can be used statistically.

#shutthefuckup

Go play Call of Duty and cry with the other butt hurts. You sound like one of those guys sitting at home alone with no friends because you act this same way off of your computer as well, banging away loudly on your keyboard with your "I'll show this noob" face at some stranger on the internet over a post that was pretty much completely civil.

growthefuckup

Gank in ProgressJan 18, 20152 votes

people who suck in general played syndra quite often because she was faceroll easy. and now these people tried it again today and found out that the champion who was faceroll once is no longer completely easy. hence: THEY SUCK.

asktiksJan 18, 20158 votes

sindra...faceroll...

I don't ...even....

let me check this guys match history real quick

yep...I don't see A SINGLE champ there that could be even REMOTELY considered "hard to play" let alone harder to play than sindra...

no , we didn't play sindra because she was faceroll, she was anything BUT faceroll actually , hey guess what?:

we don't complain about the stun hitboxes, we complain about how we got A WHOLE LOT OF INDIRECT NERFS ALONG WITH THIS ONES TOO

her Q gutted was overkill, well booohooo the big mage can poke you like zed and im a bully? big picture plz

U4fyn2vZzWJan 18, 20151 votes

Your champion was cancer and is now where it deserves to be for now until she is fixed, fucking tired of Syndra she was oppressive as hell with her stun that was the size of jupiter.

AbyssphereJan 18, 201510 votes

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Your champion was cancer and is now where it deserves to be for now until she is fixed, fucking tired of Syndra she was oppressive as hell with her stun that was the size of jupiter.

We all agree that her stun was too big. The nerf to that is GOOD, it means she needs more skill to do well. But nerfing her damage before they even see how she fares with mana regen gutted AND DFG removed, while champs like Zed are doing much better anyway, is just dumb.

What Is SmiteJan 18, 20152 votes

Hell atleast your guys champions weren't nerfed because they had really good synergy between their kits and item build path (patch 4.20 Fiora) le sigh. On another note it's bullshit that they don't give many compensation buffs to the champions they nerf especially when their PBE tells them DON'T FUCKING DO IT!!!

KeevalroyJan 18, 20156 votes

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Your champion was cancer and is now where it deserves to be for now until she is fixed, fucking tired of Syndra she was oppressive as hell with her stun that was the size of jupiter.

Calls Syndra cancer
Yasuo player

...What the actual fuck...

U4fyn2vZzWJan 18, 20151 votes

Except i know and accept Yasuo is cancer and actually want him nerfed? lol

LusthJan 18, 20151 votes

{quoted}

sindra...faceroll...

I don't ...even....

let me check this guys match history real quick

yep...I don't see A SINGLE champ there that could be even REMOTELY considered "hard to play" let alone harder to play than sindra...

no , we didn't play sindra because she was faceroll, she was anything BUT faceroll actually , hey guess what?:

we don't complain about the stun hitboxes, we complain about how we got A WHOLE LOT OF INDIRECT NERFS ALONG WITH THIS ONES TOO

her Q gutted was overkill, well booohooo the big mage can poke you like zed and im a bully? big picture plz

lolz you cant even even spell your waifus name properly. Also I smell bronze pls stfu

#gut wyndra

asktiksJan 18, 20154 votes

dooooiiii dooiiiii

guuttt wyndra durrr urf urf

Ironic that your rebuttal is an insult to grammar yet you can only regurgitate the same ad nauseaum insults as any other 10 year old

please , either constructively tell me why im wrong or GTFO kid

friggin grow up

also, IRONIC you bring rank into this, and are posting on an account with NO ranking on it , not even provs, and just THREE games on its match history...and ....wait for it people...

two out of those 3 are with sindra so hypocrite much?

oh wait dis is an aram smurf account that's right GTFO

TarynJan 18, 20155 votes

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dooooiiii dooiiiii

guuttt wyndra durrr urf urf

Replies like this are why I read the forums.

Lv 5 cleffaJan 18, 20151 votes

This coming from someone who plays kha'zix the most, lol'd

Gank in ProgressJan 18, 20151 votes

what does this have to do with anything? what a laughable argument

M SchumacherJan 18, 20152 votes

Oh no Riot finally nerfed my freelo machine and I can't 100 to 0 someone by missing every skillshot and dfg r ignite after next patch.

Good riddance.

ElderpriestJan 18, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=M Schumacher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqB5YdE0,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-01-18T07:31:18.624+0000)

Oh no Riot finally nerfed my freelo machine and I can't 100 to 0 someone by missing every skillshot and dfg r ignite after next patch.

Good riddance.

Why would you buy dfg on her anyways? She still does shit ton of dmg even without dfg, there is no need for it

M SchumacherJan 18, 20151 votes

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Why would you buy dfg on her anyways? She still does shit ton of dmg even without dfg, there is no need for it

I don't buy DFG on her but I'm addressing op complaining about dfg being removed.

RaptameiJan 18, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=M Schumacher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oqB5YdE0,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-01-18T07:31:18.624+0000)

Oh no Riot finally nerfed my freelo machine and I can't 100 to 0 someone by missing every skillshot and dfg r ignite after next patch.

Good riddance.

Fizz

f00G3MxfPPJan 18, 20151 votes

Yasuo's windwall doesn't block syndra's q. Reasoning.

Accounts in all servers included, I've had over 300 games as Syndra. I have a pretty good sense of numbers, so after I saw the q nerfs (and didn't know the magnitude of the e nerfs), didn't even have to play a game to know that she is not worthwhile to play. On that note, urgot is not that bad and syndra is not "urgot-tier" in the sense that she is in the lowest tier. Just that picking up another long range mage manipulating field particles like orianna or a powerful assassin like fizz would give either/both more enjoyment or a better winrate than syndra, despite the time that I've put into syndra compared to other mids (and more time spent = more wins and hopefully more enjoyment). I'm sure that other syndra players feel the same way. As a league player, you can't become too attached to one champion, as riot will often times kill a champion out of the blue. But I'm not sure why she was targeted as I chose syndra because her winrate/pick/ban was in the middle of the pack, or perhaps a little lower than average. Think I will pick up fizz as it seems that riot might not be touching him despite him being on my top watchlist for potential riot nerf hammer. I find champions with huge dots fun as you can often times make people waste their flash/pots and have a guaranteed kill, especially with the healing reduction.

ElderpriestJan 18, 20151 votes

Ya the e is bug. I will upload a video later happend twice in 1 match. either does no dmg and no stun. dmg and no stun. dmg and stun.

DreadlocksJan 18, 20151 votes

My favorite mage is dumpster tier... Back to all AD comps. rest in peperoni

OneDragonArmyJan 18, 20151 votes

Syndra was able to bully damn near anyone in lane with Q spam, that's why they hit her there. As said before, her win rate is due to bugged stuns. I've been waiting for these nerfs for months, they were well warranted. No champion should be able to gib with 2 easily landed spells and ignite unless they give something up for it.

Look at Malz, he's forced to channel, use tons of mana, and rely on DoTs for his power, whereas Syndra can often fire and forget from aroun 800 range while moving. Mages aren't under attack as a whole, otherwise champs like Viktor or Annie would be struggling too.

ZamiakeJan 18, 20151 votes

cause they finally nerfed her yay! no more 100% cc lock from a mile away

ofartJan 19, 20151 votes

Any sample you could have on 5.1 is utterly meaningless at this point.