Some love for Varus?

SnowFall··2 votes·745 views

Varus Personally, I feel like Varus over the time has fallen in a position from balanced to least favorable picks. As an immobile ADC currently he has the worst non-ult CC against chasing enemies, most of the time he has to use his ult which still has hugeass cooldown at lower ranks. His passive has atk speed values so miniscule that it hardly affects any outcome. His E has damage, slow and grievous wounds - a strong combination as it may seem, but no so after you take into consideration ridiculously high cd at lower ranks, aoe range, cast time. I'd like to see if Riot has any plans for him in the future.

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Eapenator3 votes

Don't you know man,

Riot only likes hyper carries with long range and Trinity Force/Burst marksman. Forget Utility marksman, who help their team through cc and possible counter initiation. They have no place in the game.

They just want to continue playing ping pong between hyper carries like twitch, jinx, and trist, and trinity force users like lucian, corki, and ezreal.

Ashe and Varus currently have no place in the game, by lacking mobility, and a lack of damage, since their budget is wrapped up in their CC. I hope riot understands that champions like Miss fortune, Varus and Ashe need help to keep up with every new release in the game, because each patch, they continue to get weaker and weaker.

AvariceSyn1 votes

Ashe can be one of the strongest and most dangerous carries to fight if she's able to itemize. Get crit for 1/4 of your health to start off with, suddenly you're trying to run away as she's frostshotting you right in the ass and ults for the finishing blows.

Ashe has one of the best kites because of the slows in her kit, and low cooldown ult.

Eapenator2 votes

I would take a 6 item twitch, kogmaw, tristana, and jinx over Ashe any day.

Woah, guess what, you can make any adc sound op with selective words

twitch - can 3 shot your whole team with aoe long range crits Jinx - an aoe global execute and aoe crits, easy clean up with passive + long range Tristana - One of the longest jumps in the game that can reset on kill, AND has self peel, and the longest range late game, nooo wayyyy

Ashe 'used' to have one of the best kits in the game, but guess what, mikales completely negates her ultimate (if a person is smart, they will save mikales for when ashe makes a really good pick with it), and slows will never beat dashes. Ashe needs an update where they give her

a) more cc b) or more damage

and I think riot will eventually go with option 1, because while having more damage would be nice, they need to emphasize pushing her niche as a high cc adc. I think the first thing would be to rework her q, so thats it is not on all the time, in favour for cc that will literally have people crawling to get to her, but only for a small while/etc.

I do agree with some of the other posts here about varus. His kit is salvageable, but he needs improvement in some areas to become as good as he should be.

MrSc0tty3 votes

Varus is not OP, and he is not unusable. He has weaknesses, a skillcap, and using his abilities requires actual thought rather than hurr durr I hit all the buttons #bigplay.

So, much like Draven and Miss Fortune that makes him an utterly unpopular pick in LCS where the safest bet always wins out over skill and creativity and in Soloqueue where it's not worth playing a champion who isn't imbalanced.

He's perfectly viable, maybe needs a tiny bit of QoL in his E cast time and clarity on where the R hitbox actually is (give it a little snake head or something to denote the box). Other than that he's fine, he's not Ashe or urgot levels of bad.

SnowFall2 votes

Varus is not OP, and he is not unusable. He has weaknesses, a skillcap, and using his abilities requires actual thought rather than hurr durr I hit all the buttons #bigplay.

So, much like Draven and Miss Fortune that makes him an utterly unpopular pick in LCS where the safest bet always wins out over skill and creativity and in Soloqueue where it's not worth playing a champion who isn't imbalanced.

He's perfectly viable, maybe needs a tiny bit of QoL in his E cast time and clarity on where the R hitbox actually is (give it a little snake head or something to denote the box). Other than that he's fine, he's not Ashe or urgot levels of bad.

At least his passive (not W) is something many wish to be reworked

Dom1nati0n2 votes

OK. First of all. Varus is Immobile because of his % stack damage. % Damage = The strongest form of damage because of it's abundance over true damage.

Second of all. There are not only items but extremely synergistic supports and champions to be played with Varus. My fiance currently has 22 ranked with 72% winrate on Varus, and Most of the time I play Zilean for her as Varus.

He's slow because he hurts worse than most people and has one of the longest skillshots (if not the longest that is not global) Available to Marksmen. You can't have this champion buffed. It would be outrageous. He already outbursts almost all the Marksmen in the game. And I'm talking about Tank Killers.

Varus, Explodes health bars. Regardless of whether or not your health bar looks like a Thermometer or not.

AvariceSyn2 votes

As an ADC main with currently 73% win rate and ~4.3 KDA on Varus, I think that he's in a solid place. His playstyle vastly differs from other carries in that you really do want to have extremely careful positioning. And by extremely careful I mean that you'll probably be pissing off your teammates when they're all dead and you're alive. Dom yells at me all the time for how far back I am in teamfights, constantly going in and out of engagements to reassess the situation while utilizing his Q to poke down the enemies all at once until it's safe enough for me to be in a fully committed engagement.

Most people don't take into account Varus' passive. I find that it is most effective while taking down turrets and inhibitors, and I let my team know not to clear all of the enemy minions so that I can have a consistently higher attack speed while taking out a tower, swapping out every 3-5 hits to kill a minion to refresh his passive.

It's also incredibly useful in situations where you are duelling multiple people at once. It's happened on more than one occasion where I'm the last man standing and 1v3, while the three have already been poked down and torn up in a teamfight, sometimes it was his passive alone that won it for me.

If you think 20% attack speed is insignificant, I challenge you to start the game with that much attack speed from runes and masteries. That's a free Zeal you have for 3 seconds. Both the speed and duration are doubled when getting a champion kill or assist, 40% is equivalent to a stinger, and only 10% shy of a phantom dancer or zephyr.

If you're having trouble with his mobility, try building him movement speed. Take MS Quints, put 3 points into Fleet of Foot in utility, build him with item 3117 (alacrity or furor), item 3046 , item 3031 , item 3142 , item 3153 , item 3026

The best supports for Varus: Lulu Nami Zilean Kayle Janna Karma Orianna Sona

I have a specific mastery page for Varus if you'reinterested, as well as a specific runepage for him, though I also commonly use MSAD, AD Res, Hybrid, depending on their comp.

YouLostMe1 votes

I have a specific mastery page for Varus if you'reinterested, as well as a specific runepage for him, though I also commonly use MSAD, AD Res, Hybrid, depending on their comp.

pls

AvariceSyn2 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/mastery/userName=AvariceSyn

Page 4 is Varus. Sometimes I'll switch out the Health Regen in Defense tree for the Mana Regen in utility. Depends on comps.

Rune pages 3,4,5,8 are what I use on Varus. Once again, depends on their team comp.

I just started buying the Hybrid Penetration Marks last week and I really enjoy them, only missing two, and last night experimented with them for the first time on Varus. I was highly impressed on how good it felt, actually.

As a side note, I want to bring up an old discussion that is extremely relevant I took part in a few years ago, here is the OP suggestion quoted by a Red.

YouLostMe1 votes

Thank you very much! I've tried running all ArPen Varus with lots of AD, and it's fun but I get dove a lot. I'll try the speed varus :)

AvariceSyn1 votes

Great! Let me know how it works for you. =]

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