Why is garen's ultimate cooldown so long?

Dokusei·Mar 9, 2015·2 votes·596 views

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lightdragoon88Mar 9, 20156 votes

Garen 160 / 120 / 80

Karthus 200 / 180 / 160

Nocturne 180 / 140 / 100

Sir ArmaMalumMar 9, 20152 votes

Lets not forget about shen now either! XD

S H A Y C 0Mar 9, 20152 votes

I love you

TerffMar 9, 20151 votes

for a single target short range execute thats pretty long.

MrPerson10Mar 9, 20153 votes

Not item dependant, doesn't scale with AD or AP, but instead scales off of how much health your opponent is missing - which is what makes it perfect for obliterating targets.

Leti the YetiMar 9, 20151 votes

I hink its more like... its not very impressive for how long the CD is frequently compaed to.. idk RIVEN???? or more recently, Nidalee :l

people be like "how op would it be if it was like xxx CD" well I mean... precedents tell me that it would be perfectly okay, in fact such things already exist right now

MrPerson10Mar 9, 20151 votes

It's more than impressive for how long the CD is. It's the one thing that allows him to trade-off at all against a Darius or Renekton post-6.

redniwediSMar 9, 20151 votes

Darius would be a better comparison. Riven's fits, but it has other stat boosts and the like that have to be considered. Darius just has an ult designed to kill low health people, and it is not effected by hexdrinker or resistances and can reset, while having shorter cooldowns up until level 16.

S H A Y C 0Mar 9, 20152 votes

because its skilless and not item dependent, a level 6 garen could still one shot a level 18 jarvan if his health was at the right percentage with nothing but boots and pots.

Aww KatMar 9, 20152 votes

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because its skilless and not item dependent

pretty much what he said

DokuseiMar 9, 20151 votes

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because its skilless and not item dependent, ~~~~a level 6 garen could still one shot a level 18 jarvan if his health was at the right percentage with nothing but boots and pots.~~

There are plenty of people with ultimates that are targeted do damage and sometimes even cc people or give them invulnerability while doing damage or can even be used from range.

garen's ultimate is near melee range and only useful when someone's health is low, it does no damage to people with full health.

MrPerson10Mar 9, 20152 votes

He already said that. Good job though.

If his health was at the right percentage

S H A Y C 0Mar 9, 20152 votes

it is still not item dependent, nothing you said here is an actual argument. The initial cooldown is really high because if he could spam it every 80 seconds at level 6, he could hit lvl 6 face roll his laner, back finish boots, buy no damage, stroll down bot, use it on low health person "x" tp top and win game with most damage dealt on team, least damage built/power on team because he has a cheese ult.

second issue is you are playing garen...ill let somebody else take this one

redniwediSMar 9, 20151 votes