People are OK with someone intentionally ruining a match but "ragers" who are fed up with someone not pulling their weight in a match after telling them politely what to do are deemed a far worse. Why does this happen?
Edit: stop putting words in my mouth people. Nowhere in this post did I mention off meta picks as trolling? I didn't because I don't see off meta picks as trolling.
mjack335 votesBecause an afker is like slowly ripping off a bandaid and inspecting the damage, while a rager is like poking a festering wound with a flail.
One is mildly painful and then you go "oh well; let's fft at 20". The second slowly and continually ruins the game for your entire team while almost always guaranteeing a loss anyways. Just... well more miserable of a one. I would rather someone quit and the damage be done (I've even come back from this) than have someone yell at their teammates for 40 minutes.
As for trolling, it depends on your definition. If you mean intentional feeding or raging, then yes, that's just as bad and people won't excuse it. In fact, people get pissed and rage at them most games. I fail to see how this is "being let by" here.
If you mean an off meta pick where they still plan to do their best but the asshat from some other lane won't stop raging the entire game (and thus ruins the game for your entire team), then I don't consider that to be trolling. Just the person getting mad at their pick ruining the game instead. Usually while the off meta pick actually does well in lane.
Dokusei1 votesBecause an afker is like slowly ripping off a bandaid and inspecting the damage, while a rager is like poking a festering wound with a flail.
One is mildly painful and then you go "oh well; let's fft at 20". The second slowly and continually ruins the game for your entire team while almost always guaranteeing a loss anyways. Just... well more miserable of a one. I would rather someone quit and the damage be done (I've even come back from this) than have someone yell at their teammates for 40 minutes.
As for trolling, it depends on your definition. If you mean intentional feeding or raging, then yes, that's just as bad and people won't excuse it. In fact, people get pissed and rage at them most games. I fail to see how this is "being let by" here.
If you mean an off meta pick where they still plan to do their best but the asshat from some other lane won't stop raging the entire game (and thus ruins the game for your entire team), then I don't consider that to be trolling. Just the person getting mad at their pick ruining the game instead. Usually while the off meta pick actually does well in lane.
Trolling is intentionally preventing your team from winning by feeding. Afk is intentionally not leaving base and denying surrender (people do this to avoid low priority. )
These are things you can not stop because you can not physically prevent someone from doing this.
What you can do is physically press a button and one click to put a end to someone raging.
What you just told me is that it's more tolerable to deal with something you can't control than something you can control
I'll give you a up vote for proving my point.
mjack331 votesA rager is no more controllable than someone who afks.
If I mute them, then there is permanant damage because they might as well be a bot now. In fact, generally, a bot who doesn't communicate at all would be preferable over a rager.
In addition, if I mute them, then they can continue to scream at the rest of my team. Unless they get muted by everyone, which generally means I would rather have an actual intermediate bot regardless.
...... Yeah. Just because you think the mute button is a cure all does not mean it is one. This is a team game. Before FORCED to mute someone by their own behavior is irreparable damage to our team reguardless.
As for what I was discussing as troll....... yes your definition of a troll is inexcusable. Generally though, said person is either raging (and thus getting the same response as a rager would) or not incessantly swearing in the chat in which case it is sometimes a more pleasant experience. Either way, I'll report them.
Dokusei1 votesA rager is no more controllable than someone who afks.
If I mute them, then there is permanant damage because they might as well be a bot now. In fact, generally, a bot who doesn't communicate at all would be preferable over a rager.
In addition, if I mute them, then they can continue to scream at the rest of my team. Unless they get muted by everyone, which generally means I would rather have an actual intermediate bot regardless.
...... Yeah. Just because you think the mute button is a cure all does not mean it is one. This is a team game. Before FORCED to mute someone by their own behavior is irreparable damage to our team reguardless.
As for what I was discussing as troll....... yes your definition of a troll is inexcusable. Generally though, said person is either raging (and thus getting the same response as a rager would) or not incessantly swearing in the chat in which case it is sometimes a more pleasant experience. Either way, I'll report them.
So getting the enemy later 5-0 in under 10 minutes or leaving in the middle of a game because someone did something you didn't like is worse than words which you could very easily block from your sight? Also there are pings for a reason. It's another source of communication.
mjack331 votesSo getting the enemy later 5-0 in under 10 minutes or leaving in the middle of a game because someone did something you didn't like is worse than words which you could very easily block from your sight? Also there are pings for a reason. It's another source of communication.
As far as how annoyed I am at the person? ....... Generally yeah.
You are trying to say the fact that you can mute someone makes it a preferable behavior. It really doesn't. Pings are not a good replacement for words, because:
A) It tends to be unlikely that someone spending all their time in chat to yell at their teammates is going to start using the ping feature correctly. It's happened before.... but it's like a wild Suicune appearing when I am not looking for one. I'm not going to argue based off of it.
B) I can't tell what the ping means. Is danger telling me a Wild Katarina has appeared in the jungle behind me trying to head me off, or is it just them saying that I shouldn't go down lane because we have no idea where the **** someone is and they could be top lane for all I know. Does assist me mean "assist me with dragon", or does assist me mean "I need a gank?" The fact that they can't type the specific information in chat is irreparable damage, since even when the tools are used perfectly (and they aren't), it's not as clear cut as someone just typing the words out.
C) The mere fact that someone is behaving that way means that we are no longer working as a team. I can no longer trust that person to have my back if I initiate. Muting don't fix that.
DrCyanide1 votesThe rager is going to keep typing, regardless of if they are muted. They are going to be more focused on what their team is doing wrong than trying to do stuff right. No matter what you do, the rager is still doing the same things that make them less effective.
In general, most AFK's are actually AFK, so they aren't protesting the surrender vote.
In general, there are more people who are trying, but are just doing bad that game than there are trolls.
In general, the rager doesn't see things this way. They think that everyone is out to get them. It's a problem that persists with them across multiple games.
j j2 votesI'd rather have an afk / troll than listen to somebody whine all game.
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I'd rather have an afk / troll than listen to somebody whine all game.
Then why not mute them?
People avoid this question all the time
DrCyanide1 votesThey are still typing. They are still getting poked down to low health under tower as they complain that if they don't get a jungle gank in the next 2 minutes they are AFKing. They are still a problem, even if you don't hear them.
j j1 votesEven if you mute them they are still a distraction to your team because not everyone knows how to mute and not everyone is willing to mute in hopes of that teammate actually cooperating to an extent. So I exclude myself from my team if I mute a toxic player because I do not see what they are seeing. (also I want to keep team moral high, so if said player is raging at me and then rages at someone else I want to assure my team to rally behind me and play instead of giving into the drama.)
People don't avoid the question it's just a dumb question no offense to you. People handle ragers differently. I'm immune due to playing guild wars 1 forever. That game was hella toxic but fun as hell.
TeemoJenkins2 votesWhen looking at negative behavior I'd rather have neither. It's like asking "Do you want a serial rapist or a bank robber?" - neither. Toxic players lower the morale of everyone at the team intentionally and deliberately, whereas an AFK could be a power outage, their PC might've exploded, or their child just slipped and fell and they are in parent mode.
Mute button is there when toxicity gets to the point of no return and you are stating "I'd rather have poor team communication than listen to this person". In my last game we had an ADC that fed at 2:11 I think and flamed their support for them getting caught, stunned, and not flashing out - mute a player less than 3 minutes into a game? No. He continued to flame the entire time, we still had a winnable game, but he wouldn't stop and just lowered the morale of everyone to the point that no one cared. But you think afk's are a larger problem? Disagree.
slippykitten2 votesBecause Riot has catered their game to weak willed, sissy children and exacerbated the issue. People think they are too special to ever be called out on their mistakes, it hurts their fragile self esteem.
Just go look at the not one, but two trending posts about reporting every players that says "ez". This community would take every game being 1v5 before they would ever want to be called a feeder when they were 0/10/0.
It's sad, but that's the generation that has been raised and catered to. Don't ever tell them they are wrong, or that they are anything less than perfect, or you will be crucified.
Arkireaim1 votesRagers more often than not are annoying and ruins the mood for the worst over the course of the game.
AFK-ers at least doesn't annoy anybody as people wait for the /ff at 20 Trolls who intentionally feed are in the same range of ragers, but the "trolls" who pick an underused champ or just building something odd while trying to at least win is not actively screwing you over, besides, you have a better chance of having fun with the "trolls" and afk.
Enkidusmurf1 votesIn the case of trolls and AFKs, you can still have a fun loss. You can even have a hell of a comeback. A game with a rager is like bleeding out through a paper cut. You're almost never going to make a comeback, and the whole thing is hell in the meantime.
I know people get competitive. It may be "just a game" but the point is still to win, I get it. But raging is more detrimental to that than trolling and AFK.
Or, here's another way to look at it. If you're annoyed by someone trolling, leaving, or doing poorly, it's probably because you know what you're doing, and you know what they could be doing if they wanted to win. That's a good thing. It puts you in a position to lead. In fact, you probably are leading, whether you know it or not, whether you mean to or not. So as soon as you get pissed and give up on the game, you're leading your team into the gutter.
The alternative is to take a breath and look again. So you've got a Teemo ADC or some shit. That's bad. But what could your team do to win? Where could you push and advantage, even being a man down? How can you exploit the other team's weaknesses with just 4 members? If you focus on that, I bet you'll be surprised how many throw-away games you end up winning.
General Veers1 votesThe way I see it is that it's a game that people play for fun.
When your teammates are being abusive or not trying, it stops being fun. So it's understandable to want to surrender/afk and wait for the next game when you might have a team that's actually fun to play with.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesI'm confused as to how people 'prefer' either. They both suck, AFK's just suck less because, as Mjack33 said, you can just shrug it off and play anither game after 20 minutes. So yes, if you go by the lesser of two evils I would choose and AFK. Troll is such a vague term that I'm not really going into it.
But I think I can speak for everyone that we all would 'prefer' to have neither.