Elise has a 75% ban rate

Cloud273·Aug 7, 2015·2 votes·1,148 views

WTF happened? Not so long ago everyone was complaining about how weak/forgotten she was, and now she has the highest ban rate in the game.

30 Comments

DracidAug 7, 20158 votes

because she got some good buffs?

Just JangleAug 7, 20153 votes

Reading patch notes is easy OP.

Vistha KaiAug 7, 20153 votes

Am I the only person in this game that have no problems playing aganist champions like Yasuo, Elise, Kalista or whatever FotM champion people use?

MLDzXnRRRAug 7, 20152 votes

Her kit is similar to Nida's = overloaded...

TourianAug 7, 20153 votes

I bet you can't even explain why you think her kit is overloaded, you just heard it before somewhere.

AbyssphereAug 7, 20151 votes

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Her kit is similar to Nida's = overloaded...

As someone who loves both champs: Nid's kit is not at all comparable to Elise. Elise has a loaded kit - 4 out of Nidalee's 6 abilities just do damage. For a transform champion Nid's kit is very bare.

LynxonyxAug 7, 20152 votes

Yeah, she is unhealthily broken atm... I'd rather see her back in the dumpster than what she is capable of doing right now.

TourianAug 7, 20151 votes

Please leave this game if your honest opinion of ANY champ is such as that.

Only Play DariusAug 7, 20151 votes

I mean Leblanc is quite possibly the most toxic champ in the game (and her playerbase is just as toxic). Until her rework I don't mind her remaining in the dumpster, but I agree I don't think any other champ deserves to be unplayable.

LynxonyxAug 7, 20151 votes

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Please leave this game if your honest opinion of ANY champ is such as that.

Maybe you should leave. I'd rather see champs under-powered to allow for skill to shine in the use of them to overcome, rather than them be overpowered to the point where it takes little to no skill to use them, and you can 1v5 and win every exchange.

Under powered champs create niches; over powered champs create imbalance.

You are just someone that uses her, and now your panties are in a bunch.

TourianAug 8, 20151 votes

So your response is..."no u" good one man. Yes, I play Elise almost exclusively and the fact that you apparently have never touched her exemplify why you have no business making your ignorant statements. I had a 60 percent win rate on her before the buff and it took every ounce of my mastery with her to even perform on par to other junglers. Which is NOT how a high skill cap champion is supposed to work. Compared to things like Ahri and Leblanc which have inherently toxic kits and low counterplay, i.e. 3-4 free flashes, Elise has plenty of counterplay which I can tell you from much experience. Both of her E's are extraordinarily unforgiving if you use incorrectly, if you fuck up, you're dead. If you build damage you do decentish damage comparatively but die before you can do it. You have a lack luster teamfight. You get behind extraordinarily easy if you get counterganked or fuck up, and if you do it's ridiculous to come back from. Elise is a champion that punishes mistakes but can't capitalize on creating plays other wise, if you're lanes are all pushed to enemy tower like dumbasses or they feed which, lets be honest happen quite often, you have low opportunities. If you go tank you do really bad damage late game and are still really squish. The prime reason Elise is so strong right now is not because of the buffs so much as the fact that no one has fucking seen one in 5 months or more and therefor have no clue how to play against. You should probably try a champion before you shit out opinions. As much shit as say Yasuo and Riven have gotten, I for one decided to try playing them and did horribly because believe it or not they require a good degree of skill to play.

LynxonyxAug 8, 20151 votes

""So your response is..."no u" good one man. Yes, I play Elise almost exclusively and the fact that you apparently have never touched her exemplify why you have no business making your ignorant statements. I had a 60 percent win rate on her before the buff and it took every ounce of my mastery with her to even perform on par to other junglers. Which is NOT how a high skill cap champion is supposed to work. Compared to things like Ahri and Leblanc which have inherently toxic kits and low counterplay, i.e. 3-4 free flashes.

Elise has plenty of counterplay which I can tell you from much experience. Both of her E's are extraordinarily unforgiving if you use incorrectly, if you fuck up, you're dead. If you build damage you do decentish damage comparatively but die before you can do it. You have a lack luster teamfight. You get behind extraordinarily easy if you get counterganked or fuck up, and if you do it's ridiculous to come back from. Elise is a champion that punishes mistakes but can't capitalize on creating plays other wise.

If you're lanes are all pushed to enemy tower like dumbasses or they feed which, lets be honest happen quite often, you have low opportunities. If you go tank you do really bad damage late game and are still really squish. The prime reason Elise is so strong right now is not because of the buffs so much as the fact that no one has fucking seen one in 5 months or more and therefor have no clue how to play against. You should probably try a champion before you shit out opinions. As much shit as say Yasuo and Riven have gotten, I for one decided to try playing them and did horribly because believe it or not they require a good degree of skill to play.""

Paragraphs are your friend. Fixed it for you.

Also no, that wasn't my response, that was a jab I added at the end because you are obviously an Elise player. My response was that it is better for champs to be undertuned so that skill can shine, rather than be overtuned making it so any random assclown can 100-0 people with little to no skill.

Yasuo is fine, and actually takes skill. Riven however is a prime example of what I'm talking about. I think Ahri is fine too, her ability to escape is a bit much, but she isn't really difficult to counter. Elise's new kit is a bit overboard, not much, but certainly over-tuned.

Akali is SO HOTAug 7, 20152 votes

1.6 second stun at level 1 is pretty underpowered op

Colgate GatorAug 7, 20152 votes

Elise has always been a problematic Champion, due to her kit, she's one tweak away from being weak to being brokenly strong.

ModIts Yuu and MiAug 7, 20152 votes

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Elise has always been a problematic Champion, due to her kit, she's one tweak away from being weak to being brokenly strong.

This.

BTW her E change wasn't minor, it was fking massive

GodarenAug 7, 20151 votes

Ruinglaive buffs and nerfs to cinderhulk champions. Oh and she got buffed

kJsAug 7, 20151 votes

I'm pretty sure it's because of Sated Devourer. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Every AP Caster/AA like Elise, Eve are really strong now, borderline OP if not OP already. I think it works on Master Yi as well..

It's got more to do with the item than the actual champions.

BakedLotionAug 7, 20157 votes

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It's because of Sated Devourer. Every AP Caster/AA like Elise, Eve are really strong now, borderline OP if not OP already.

It's got more to do with the item than the actual champions.

this is why people who have half a brain should not share their opinions.

Only Play DariusAug 7, 20151 votes

Harsh, but true.

The HeraIdAug 7, 20153 votes

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It's because of Sated Devourer. Every AP Caster/AA like Elise, Eve are really strong now, borderline OP if not OP already.

It's got more to do with the item than the actual champions.

That isn;t sated devourer, that is rune glaive. ELise and eve should not be farming constantly, and def not eve who needs to be a gank presence because her late game is lackluster.

Skia AsteriAug 7, 20154 votes

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It's because of Sated Devourer. Every AP Caster/AA like Elise, Eve are really strong now, borderline OP if not OP already. I think it works on Master Yi as well..

It's got more to do with the item than the actual champions.

What idiot would build devourer on Elise when you could build runeglave?

Cloud273Aug 7, 20151 votes

I guess I'm just surprised these buffs had that much of an impact. Before her win rate wasn't that great (43% I think), and now she has a 75% ban rate after a few minor buffs. What's your point?

ModKnightsKemplarAug 7, 20151 votes

They buffed her.

Cloud273Aug 7, 20151 votes

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They buffed her.

I can list 50 other champions that got buffs this year, but their win rates/ban rates are nothing compared to what Elise has right now.

ModKnightsKemplarAug 7, 20151 votes

So her buffs were good. Not all buffs were created equal.

TourianAug 8, 20151 votes

Elise's win rates right now aren't even close to the consistent tops in every division yet people give Elise shit. IIRC, Elise topped out at 16th in her highest win rate division which I believe was plat. Now at the top of this division are Wukong (talk about overloaded kits, Elise has nothing on this guy), Talon and Heimer. But are the last two considered to be broken or bitched about? No. Elise is back to viability for one patch and people whine. Buy some damn MR people, I know you're too busy going all damage, but item 3102 really really sucks as an Elise main.

Cloud273Aug 8, 20151 votes

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Elise's win rates right now aren't even close to the consistent tops in every division yet people give Elise shit. IIRC, Elise topped out at 16th in her highest win rate division which I believe was plat. Now at the top of this division are Wukong (talk about overloaded kits, Elise has nothing on this guy), Talon and Heimer. But are the last two considered to be broken or bitched about? No. Elise is back to viability for one patch and people whine. Buy some damn MR people, I know you're too busy going all damage, but really really sucks as an Elise main.

No one is whining about Elise. Thanks for being toxic. And all 3 of those champs you mentioned are broken.

TourianAug 8, 20151 votes

Have you read the boards or the posts in your own thread? I'm not being toxic I'm stating facts. People are whining about her because they dont know how to play her or play against her. Neither two of those champions are in any way broken. Broken refers to little to no counterplay, I.E. Master Yi currently. Talon and Heimer are gods of lower divisions where in talon's case people dont ward or MIA or build defensive items. Yes, Talon does a lot of damage to squishies in little to no time, but as squishy as he is he puts himself it great risk. Hiemer is god at lower divisions because of poor gank coordination which leads to double kills and the people who think "well I couldnt 1v1 him 2 mins ago, I bet I can now that I have another dorans ring".

AbyssphereAug 7, 20151 votes

Primarily it's because she got huge buffs. Like the single biggest one-patch buff I've seen all year, even bigger than Bard's initial post-released buffs. But also itemisation has gradually been shifting to suit her (Runeglaive > Magus, AP item rework made stuff like Liandry's, Rylai's and Zhonya's more appealing) too, so a lot of stuff has collided at once to make her good.