juggernauts, a melee class, have zero move speed items UNLESS they invest in a triforce which is 5% move speed.
Mages, a range class, have access to 17% move speed. even "immobile" mages have access to this MS.
mages outburst and outdmg juggernauts while being safer at the same time. lets not even mention the mobile ones.
please rehire another balance team
Jamaree1 votesDo you have actual numbers or anything to actually support this or are we just supposed to believe in your hearsay?
lolipopevelynn2 votesDo you have actual numbers or anything to actually support this or are we just supposed to believe in your hearsay?
do you not know how to look at items? 
is alot of move speed. any mage flat out outperforms a juggernaut while also being safe with natural range and
Jamaree1 votesdo you not know how to look at items?
I mean...I can list off items too?
No one even buys Spellbinder and Lich Bane so niche and fully usable on so few champions.
Yeah, they get Zhonya, AD gets 
and 
instead?
lolipopevelynn1 votesI mean...I can list off items too?
No one even buys Spellbinder and Lich Bane so niche and fully usable on so few champions.
Yeah, they get Zhonya, AD gets
are you stupid? i just listed triforce my self and there is not a single juggernaut building ghostblade except a garen who is off meta cheesing.
Jamaree1 votesare you stupid? i just listed triforce my self and there is not a single juggernaut building ghostblade except a garen who is off meta cheesing.
Garen is actually pretty meta right now, besides the point, my point is there are just as many good AD items as well as AP items.
lolipopevelynn1 votesGaren is actually pretty meta right now, besides the point, my point is there are just as many good AD items as well as AP items.
assassins use ghost blade, not juggernauts. and even then its still not nearly as good as flat % based move speed... not even close...
Critmaster Garen1 votesDo you have actual numbers or anything to actually support this or are we just supposed to believe in your hearsay?
come on man. you can look it up yourself.
though to be fair, they have some movement options. 
are helpful in some way.
cleaver increases your ability to stick, and dead mans to follow up team engages. its just that juggers need tanks and supports to enable them.
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come on man. you can look it up yourself.
though to be fair, they have some movement options.
cleaver increases your ability to stick, and dead mans to follow up team engages. its just that juggers need tanks and supports to enable them.
Look up what, what numbers exactly?
Colton1471 votesAP champions become invalidated by 
.
Critmaster Garen1 votesAP champions become invalidated by
nice meme.
Tahminatrix 1 votesOnly the ones with toxic amounts of base damage and shit-tier scaling/rely on burst damage like 
or 
Illabethe1 votesNot even close to true nor it is it a statistical argument or even correct.
1) gives more than 5% Move speed. It also gives 20 BASE movement speed when attacking. Bruisers also typically are the primary users of Phase Rush, 
.
, and have so much HP, and rune choices that all DoT mages cannot kill them, and the burst mages are generally negated by any resist build.lolipopevelynn1 votesNot even close to true nor it is it a statistical argument or even correct.
1)
- They also generally are packed with slows, use
Show me a single juggnaut that is not in bronze building a fucking phantom dancer + ghost blade. link me to that users page because most likely he has a very LOW winrate on said champion. the only viable item other than triforce that you listed is dead mans, whos movement speed is lost once you hit something, including a minion. % movespeed is not lost.
Illabethe1 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Darius/
2.09% Pick rate of , but it's one of his highest win rate items at 65%.
He also picks Dead Man's.
(Phantom would see more play if games got to 4-5 items more often).
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/DrMundo/
About 2% pick, again, because it's a 4th/5th items and many games don't go that long.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Garen/
Youmuu's has a 7% pick rate, and almost 3% Second item it. Has the highest win rate of all second items on him.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Olaf/
RG is core...
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Nasus/
RG and Dead Man's are both Core. Some even build 
.
Here's a very visual break down of how Phantom Dancer affects ALL champions. Look whose at the top of the list:
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/item/3046/
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Only one of those is an Adc........
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/item/3142/
are the top users.....
are three of the top 8 users.
Ironically the first champion among Bruisers to rank on is , at rank 10, even though its a popular pick among all bruisers.
lolipopevelynn1 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Darius/
2.09% Pick rate of
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/DrMundo/
About 2% pick, again, because it's a 4th/5th items and many games don't go that long.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Garen/
Youmuu's has a 7% pick rate, and almost 3% Second item it. Has the highest win rate of all second items on him.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Olaf/
RG is core...
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Nasus/
RG and Dead Man's are both Core. Some even build
Here's a very visual break down of how Phantom Dancer affects ALL champions. Look whose at the top of the list:
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/item/3046/
Only one of those is an Adc........
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/item/3142/
Ironically the first champion among Bruisers to rank on
you are throwing out a bunch of useless links to try and make yourself look like you know what you are talking about. Interestingly enough you fail to mention that PD is picked 0.6% of the time on garen.
please stop this stupidity. if you actually knew what you were talking about you would link this instead
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Darius/items/
PD is at the very bottom of items Darius picks... and its even less for garen. its winrate is high because of how infrequently its picked, meaning only one tricks build the item when they are already pub stomping a game. not hard to understand why PD is bought on them. it doesnt mean its a core item, not even close. if you want to win a game you are NOT going to be buying PD or ghostblade, those are "im already winning the game" buys on those champions.
Illabethe1 votesThe stats don't lie.
The reason these items sometimes have a low pick representation is NOT because they are bad. It's because they are not generally the first ~3 items on a champ, which ends games before they are purchased. But if the game gets to 4-5 items, yes. They are chosen and have the highest win rates for those slots.
lolipopevelynn1 votesThe stats don't lie.
The reason these items sometimes have a low pick representation is NOT because they are bad. It's because they are not generally the first ~3 items on a champ, which ends games before they are purchased. But if the game gets to 4-5 items, yes. They are chosen and have the highest win rates for those slots.
of course its not the first 3 items. the first 3 items are core items. the last two items are situational items. you either get a defensive item or a win harder item for those last two slots, as ive said already.
Malak1 votesYea I'll build lichbane and spellbinder if I'm in the mood to feed my ass off to anything with a dash (70% of league champs)