Can the new Essence Reaver be an Active item?

HàrrowR··14 votes·7,188 views

Its an item marketed for "Spellslinging" marksmen,but the problem is,its too situational and its harder to pull of properly than it appears at first glance,its not only tied to your ultimate cd,but it also has an internal cd of 30 secons.

If you have a 100 second CD ult and its down,its now an useless passive

If you want to poke with your ult like Kog but save the item for a team fight,tough luck

If you use your ult to disengage rather than nuke with Xayah you're more than likely wasting the active

If you kill someone with your ult then again you've wasted your proc that could have been used for your next engagement where your ult is down and you need that extra power

If you're most ADCs item 3508 would be a terrible first or second choice of an item,and i'd even say that there's no reason to buy it anytime over something like LDR,GA,Lifesteal... I'd rather have all 3 of those and just IE RFC than to trade any of that for some cdr,mana and an active i'll more than likely waste.

The best solution i think would be changing it so it becomes an active item,so we can more freely decide when to use it,since not every ult is an all in,not every ult is instant cast and not every ult is used for engaging.

Thoughts?

27 Comments

Snowman Arc12 votes

I don't think you understand how the item works.

After you cast your ultimate, your next AA in the next 10 seconds will grant you a buff that for the next 8 seconds, you get the CDR.

So, Lucian and MF' R duration are unaffected. You need to AA to proc it, so essentially you choose if you proc it or not.

Holy shit, gotta love getting downvoted, even though everything I said is correct. These boards lol smh.

HàrrowR1 votes

Didnt know that,but still some of the reasons i've stated above aren't fixed,except for Lucian and MF wasting half of it on channel,you still sometimes want to poke with your ult,you sometimes want to disengage,and sometimes you just use your ult to kill someone,and if they're already dead,its still a wasted proc

Snowman Arc4 votes

Which is why you just won't buy this item on champions like Kogmaw. Not all items are meant for all champions.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oIQkPf8A,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-06-01T14:41:31.244+0000)

Which is why you just won't buy this item on champions like Kogmaw. Not all items are meant for all champions.

He just want Jayce Udyr Nidalee Elise to abuse the hell out of it when it be active and doesn't count on ultimate

Snowman Arc3 votes

Well, the item isn't even that strong, honestly, especially on the AP champions you listed. The CD refund isn't insane. It's 20% of the REMAINING CD so it's ok for champions who AA a lot and have high cooldowns, but that's pretty much about it.

HàrrowR1 votes

Why would you want to buy it on NIda or Elise?

Gravirose5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oIQkPf8A,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-01T12:46:30.690+0000)

I don't think you understand how the item works.

After you cast your ultimate, your next AA in the next 10 seconds will grant you a buff that for the next 8 seconds, you get the CDR.

So, Lucian and MF' R duration are unaffected. You need to AA to proc it, so essentially you choose if you proc it or not.

Holy shit, gotta love getting downvoted, even though everything I said is correct. These boards lol smh.

As soon as you say they are wrong, it hits their emotions.

HàrrowR1 votes

gz on getting up voted back up,i honestly didn't know either that the next attack would trigger it,here take my vote

Pierce The Veal1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oIQkPf8A,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-01T12:46:30.690+0000)

I don't think you understand how the item works.

After you cast your ultimate, your next AA in the next 10 seconds will grant you a buff that for the next 8 seconds, you get the CDR.

So, Lucian and MF' R duration are unaffected. You need to AA to proc it, so essentially you choose if you proc it or not.

Holy shit, gotta love getting downvoted, even though everything I said is correct. These boards lol smh.

Accurate, but it is pretty bad on Quinn which I found sad.

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

I'd be for it. Makes the item more purchaseble overall.

SanKakU2 votes

I guess they thought Ezreal could use a ninja nerf and hitting Essence Reaver was the way to do that. Since his critical strike builds were sleeper OP.

But now every champ that would build 1 full non-IE critical strike item and ER for that juicy 30 CDR then a Death's Dance for anti-burst are missing out on that 3 item, lots of AD and 40 CDR combination.

Ashe Varus Xayah

On the plus side, they can now build item 3156 or whatever instead of the critical strikes...but champs like Ashe and Xayah kind of wanted critical strikes.

Overall, although I'm not a huge fan of these changes, it kind of looks like if nothing else they may have fixed the balance problems that marksman versus marksman had. But the game is so much more than 1 marksman versus 1 other marksman.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

you will need to nerf it because the sole reason ER is garbage right now is because it's conditionned by your ult

reduce the CDR on hit from 20% to 10%

AirKingNeo2 votes

Remove the cdr onhit. Giving generic CD resets on an item is easily abusable.

LordGeovanni1 votes

I think the same thing when i see kalistas e Katarina's passive and ezreal's q extra effect. Akali ult.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

Make it an activate? I dunno it could turn out to be too strong. And its effect starts after you aa after you have casted your ulti.

HàrrowR1 votes

Still doesn't resolve a lot of other situations i've mentioned above. Also if by strong you mean viable then yes,i think an item should be viable lol,if not then don't even put it in the game cause i don't think its very usefull right now...

Nyarlathοtep

By too strong i mean being an item that is being bought by everyone. And thats the last thing that we should want with this item.

SmashinBob1 votes

I think they made a mess of reaver, the proc is generally only usefull on a select few champions like kaisa, and quite likely master yi, possibly even kha, i cant think of plenty champions actually besides adcs that would benefit from this item. And a lot of adc casters in my opinion dont really benefit fully from the item, Example Lucian uses ult 90% of time to secure a kill, push wave or escape zoning rather than to start a fight. And the fact is he often needs a mana item, which means that he either needs to build essence and rarely ever fully benefit from the item, or switch to build muramana or trinity if he wants mana.

Modl Ryden l1 votes

Maybe if the passive activated like 2 seconds after the initial cast of your ultimate? Idk. Becuase I do agree it's near useless for champions that channel their ultis. MissFortune Lucian Jhin since they take time to channel their ultimates the passive ends up being 7 seconds - the time it takes to channel.

HàrrowR1 votes

Actually its actived by your next auto after you ult,still doesn't fix a lot of other problems,like using your ult to disengage,or poke like with kog,or straight up killing people with it or making them disengage and not having any targets to use it on

flibitydoo1 votes

It's kind of inherently a bad item to build on kog'maw anyways.

I've been trying it on sivir and it's awful. The thing about both of these champs, is that after like the 25 minute mark, you just stop using your Q and E on those champs. The majority of the fights become "press w and auto. do not cast your other skills because they actually cut into your dps" which makes ER really bad.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Its not useless its that your ult cooldown is longer and this you know its gonna be longer to use........** Play around the cooldown**........

Zerenza1 votes

It's an incredibly powerful item, having it tied to a long cooldown ability is fine in my opinion. When you ult with it as Illaoi, Yorick, Renekton, Riven, Xinzhao, the list litterally goes on and on with this item for non-ADC's, oh and corki btw can proc it anytime he wants. Like sure it was meant to be an ADC item, but Steraks, Maw, Duskblade, BC, Youmu's, Edge of Night, Frozen Mallet and Deaths dance were meant to be Bruiser/AD assassins items, but guess who abused those? ADC's did, then got them nerfed for everyone, in my opinion this is just payback lol

Essence reaver is good on who it should be good on, it's an amazing item but unlike previous ADC itemization, it doesn't work on everything.

Meep Man1 votes

I'd rather it only proc if you basic attack a champion or epic monster. Otherwise it's fine for me.

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