Regarding the upcoming IE changes

Eedat·May 1, 2018·38 votes·14,638 views

Maybe it would be better to retire IE and make this upcoming iteration a separate new item. I know it actually doesnt matter much, but IE has been a staple item in this game a very long time and has had the 250% crits passive for forever. It just feels weird changing it. Maybe its time to just retire the item. It would be like changing Deathcap's passive into something other than a % AP bonus..... it just wouldnt be Deathcap anymore. Or changing the Zhonya's active to something else.

I guess the easiest way to but it is that it kinda feels like treading on sacred grounds.

25 Comments

flibitydooMay 1, 20187 votes

make it like lord van Damm's pillager (the twisted treeline IE equivalent) used to be instead of "extra 50% crit damage" it's just "deal 50% extra damage as a bleed". No more instantly blowing up squishies with crit and it's still a reasonable amp to fighting tanks

ZJD123May 1, 201821 votes

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make it like lord van Damm's pillager (the twisted treeline IE equivalent) used to be instead of "extra 50% crit damage" it's just "deal 50% extra damage as a bleed". No more instantly blowing up squishies with crit and it's still a reasonable amp to fighting tanks

We need a NERF. NERF not a cheeky manipulative bleed, a NERF

Anu3isIIMay 1, 20187 votes

By making it a bleed, you nerf its burst Damage. By critting multiple times in a row, people will just refresh its poison, and as most ADCs build Attack Speed, they would refresh the bleed before it would be finished, resulting in a net nerf to Damage.

The only cases where it would be as good as the original would be when the ADC crits once and runs away, without attacking/critting the opponent.

And would be a significant nerf the IE Shiv burst combo.

Anyway, we still have to see the numbers of the reworked IE. Percentage of your Crit transformed into True Damage can be as bursty as the old crits, as everyone has their fair amount of Armor. Sure, it affects Tanks harder, but it doesn't mean it won't be as good vs squishies.

LilxPaprikaMay 1, 20186 votes

I mean w/e It doesn't bother me either way. That approach works too. I gather they need to keep their artists busy and cool new weapon icons are always welcomed.

I can think of a few items that could use new icons along with minor changes (jungle items IMO) cinderhulk should look like armor not a weapon for example.

Jesus is SaviorMay 1, 20183 votes

No link to the actual change?

EedatMay 1, 20182 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/2ykqAkNa-marksman-changes-coming-to-pbe-in-the-next-couple-days

FilDaFunkMay 2, 20183 votes

Ah, back when Deathcap was Zhonya's... Zhonya's just isn't Zhonya's anymore.

DivewingMay 2, 20182 votes

ADCs are the natural enemies of Zhonyas. Like assassins and Zhonyas. Or mages and Zhonyas. Or Zhonyas and Zhonyas.

Damned Zhonyas, it ruined Zhonyas!

SweedishGunnerMay 2, 20181 votes

It does seem odd changing it after so long.

Also doesn't seem like a good idea to give every crit ADC a free mini conqueror rune with an item.

CorriandrMay 2, 20185 votes

It isn't a free mini conqueror, it IS conqueror, gated only by crit chance and without the lock behind melee, or anything preventing champs like Tryndamere and Yasuo taking both conqueror and grabbing IE.

Not to mention suddenly everyone has Yasuo's passive now. Oh boy!

Z3SleeperMay 2, 20182 votes

For 3400g and they need a crit item to access it in the first place. Zeal cost up 100g and upgrades up 200g. Infinity Edge also lost its 50% crit dmg in favor of the 20% true damage.

It's gonna take a few minutes before an ADC really makes use of the double crit passive.

I think giving them a conqueror effect rather than the current +50% damage on the RNG Critboom is healthier for the game anyway.

Meep ManMay 2, 20181 votes

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/978/yNlQWRM.jpg

They both perform the same role, which is boosting the damage of critical strikes.

TheGreatNinxMay 2, 20181 votes

No not really. It's boosting the damage of your v.s tanks. Squishies not so much.

The Yetii RiderMay 2, 20181 votes

Call it the Buzz Saw, because we've gone to Infinity and beyond.

ManslayerMay 2, 20181 votes

Back in my day, Zhonya's ring was both deathcap and hourglass!

Snowman ArcMay 2, 20181 votes

People can really find the tiniest things to bitch about.

BlåbæretMay 2, 20181 votes

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People can really find the tiniest things to bitch about.

Not surprisingly coming from an ADC main.

EedatMay 2, 20181 votes

I'm not bitching? I even said:

I know it actually doesnt matter much

Making a suggestion is not bitching

MarkymiddyMay 2, 20181 votes

For yasuo's sake PLEASE make the changed ranged only

The Bad TouchMay 2, 20181 votes

Yasuo item 3086 item 3031 item 3071 + conquerer. Rip armor as a stat.

TheGreatNinxMay 2, 20181 votes

yasuo wouldn't be building cleaver since cdr is useless and doesn't need its passive when other items on him do this job much better, HE will be building the new LW. also he needs two zeal items to get 100% crit since i.e no longers gives crit chance.

The Bad TouchMay 9, 20181 votes

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yasuo wouldn't be building cleaver since cdr is useless and doesn't need its passive when other items on him do this job much better, HE will be building the new LW. also he needs two zeal items to get 100% crit since i.e no longers gives crit chance.

Yas already spent an entire season abusing cleaver top.

Also you don't need "2 zeal items" you are already overcapped on crit with just 1 and IE.

TheGreatNinxMay 9, 20181 votes

I.E doesn't give crit no more. I have never, ever, seen him abuse it at all. Now Frozen Mallet I have seen him abuse. :| Like I can't even find a ranking with BlackCleaver in it as a build. not even pro players build it lol