So on PBE: Molten Edge.

Illabethe·Jul 19, 2018·6 votes·5,168 views

I just notice something I don't think anyone's brought up yet:

They are reverting crit items (possibly) while reducing the % True damage and AD (and cost) on .

But if you look at http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html......

They did something interesting with 's masterwork:

Molten Edge (Ornn Masterwork Upgrade Item) Total cost lowered from 4600 to 4200 AD lowered from 110 to 95

But if you look at the image (and lack of note)...... the % True damage is still 15%!

So..... Ornn's .....

Gains 25 AD, and ALSO has 5% more true damage than the

Is this change meant to get Ornn into play among champs who want uber true damage and to make him pair with champs like even better?

32 Comments

Arcane Blue BoiJul 19, 20189 votes

MOLTEN

~~COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE~~ edge

SEKAIJul 19, 20188 votes

Is Molten Edge Riot's interpretation on the "2,000 degree knife" meme?

######sorry

LarrietJul 19, 20181 votes

I know it's a joke, but I did think it was supposed to be "this is so hot it can cut through anything", instead of """just""" being infinitely sharp. Sounds like overkill :P

Jackom1Jul 19, 20183 votes

Or maybe it was an oversight and it'll be put in line with the regular IE by the end of the week. It's too early to say for sure.

Frontline FuryJul 19, 20182 votes

Sure hope it isnt just something overlooked. It would be nice if the masterwork items could actually gain some relevance, considering the majority of games end long before you can even think about buying them.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20182 votes

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Sure hope it isnt just something overlooked. It would be nice if the masterwork items could actually gain some relevance, considering the majority of games end long before you can even think about buying them.

As an ADC player myself I actually hope it's an oversight.

I do not want bot lane or the game to turn in to "Whichever team has Ornn wins!"

lolipopevelynnJul 19, 20182 votes

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As an ADC player myself I actually hope it's an oversight.

I do not want bot lane or the game to turn in to "Whichever team has Ornn wins!"

Oh, kinda like "whoever has the better adc wins"?

AirKingNeoJul 19, 20183 votes

adcs don't have agency over laning phase

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20182 votes

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adcs don't have agency over laning phase

Indeed.

Laning phases are decided by the Supports and Junglers.

OtterlyLostJul 19, 20181 votes

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Indeed.

Laning phases are decided by the Supports and Junglers.

And sometimes mid. Honestly, mid and jungle have the most agency and control over the game. :/ Top and Bot have very limited control.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20182 votes

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Oh, kinda like "whoever has the better adc wins"?

Except the meta isn't even close to being revolved around bot lane.

saltranJul 19, 20182 votes

In how many games you reach the point where you buy the Ornn upgrades? This change will not afect the meta

Warlord RhinarkJul 19, 20181 votes

I don't want crit comps to pop up where people will take Ornn top, Tryndamere Jungle, Yasuo mid, Miss Fortune ADC and Janna Support.

That sounds toxic.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oGctYfbh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-19T10:31:35.816+0000)

I don't want crit comps to pop up where people will take Ornn top, Tryndamere Jungle, Yasuo mid, Miss Fortune ADC and Janna Support.

That sounds toxic.

Crit comps

Miss Fortune

?????????????

She's a lethality ADC.

Warlord RhinarkJul 19, 20182 votes

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Crit comps

Miss Fortune

?????????????

She's a lethality ADC.

Jinx then.

I just thought Miss Fortune's ultimate coupled with Ornn's, as well as the fact that most of her abilities (Q and ult) have synergy with crit, she'd fit better into this team comp.

saltranJul 19, 20181 votes

MF crit was only a thing with old ER

Warlord RhinarkJul 19, 20182 votes

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MF crit was only a thing with old ER

Then how come I see you building Stormrazor and Rapid Firecannon on all of your Miss Fortune games?

https://i.imgur.com/X3b5umq.png

saltranJul 19, 20181 votes

After buying a lethality item because you have no good first item choice to go crit, and the games you see are normals where I'm trying builds since 2 lethality items seems to be the best build and then BCleaver but I actually hate the full lethality build so I'm trying to go half lethality half crit.

Warlord RhinarkJul 19, 20181 votes

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After buying a lethality item because you have no good first item choice to go crit, and the games you see are normals where I'm trying builds since 2 lethality items seems to be the best build and then BCleaver but I actually hate the full lethality build so I'm trying to go half lethality half crit.

I just assumed half lethality, half crit was the standard build on Miss Fortune?

I mean, there are only 3 lethality items in the game and one Black Cleaver, the last two item slots had to be for something else.

If this is the case, the team comp with Ornn would still work.

saltranJul 19, 20181 votes

Actually MF is always an adc with a more open build than the rest of adcs.

Before 8.11 there were 2 "major" builds: Full crit with ER or half Lethality half crit.

Now there are 2 "major" builds aswell: Full lethality (DuskB and GhosB into more armor pen) or half lethality half crit.

I personally never liked the full armor pen build so I'm trying to play with only 1 lethality item into StormR - RFC - IE

LarrietJul 19, 20181 votes

Crit MF was actually doing pretty well before the item update, plus true damage on ult is still cool.

IllabetheJul 19, 20181 votes

tbh Ornn jungle, Tryn top is more likely. Ornn can level and gold much safer/persistently in jungle than top, where 70% of the meta top champs make his lane phase a stalemate and often struggles with mana conservation.

Keep in mind with the crit nerf, they also reduced Tryn's spin cooldown by 2 sec :X

KING XXXIJul 19, 20181 votes

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tbh Ornn jungle, Tryn top is more likely. Ornn can level and gold much safer/persistently in jungle than top, where 70% of the meta top champs make his lane phase a stalemate and often struggles with mana conservation.

Keep in mind with the crit nerf, they also reduced Tryn's spin cooldown by 2 sec :X

Ornn is a lane dominant tank and his passive only takes effect after level 10.

Why would you put him jungle over Tryndamere?

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20181 votes

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Ornn is a lane dominant tank and his passive only takes effect after level 10.

Why would you put him jungle over Tryndamere?

Level 13 to unlock his items.

IllabetheJul 19, 20181 votes

His passive is 13, and he isn't lane dominant vs most tops. He hasn't been since unstoppable was removed from W, and about 3 major nerfs to it.

he's ranked one of the lowest performing champs in the game.
Look at his win rates vs lane champs.....

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Ornn/

Sub 45% win rate vs all these: Zed Quinn Garen Ekko Illaoi Riven Yorick Yasuo MonkeyKing Fiora Tryndamere Singed Renekton Rumble Jax Malphite Camille Darius Kled

He literally only has a positive win rate vs one top champ: Trundle .

He basically has no choice in top lane but to "win by attrition." Aka..... he takes what cs he can get and waits for a jungler to come. or abandons lane and helps the rest of the team. Most of the top champs absolutely destroy him in duels.

In jungle he can't get shut down. His jungle clear is strong and he never has to recall. He can drake faster than a Tryn, and get to level 6 faster, because he can just purchase through it. Jungle also has a ton of walls to use E on. Lane doesn't, unless his opponent is dumb.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20181 votes

Ornn upgrade on IE had +30 AD over normal IE.

I think Riot should Increase to 100 AD and reduce to 10%

Vlada CutJul 19, 20181 votes

They should not increase true damage on Molten Edge. True damage gain should remain the same for both Infinity Edge and Edge. Because getting more true damage from an item such at this one would be the only reason for Ornn to make a comeback....and lose identity chrysis by changing him from a blacksmith to a true damage power house. I'm against this change. I'd rather have 100 ad and 10% true damage on Molten Edge thsn 95 ad amd 15% true damage.

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20181 votes

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They should not increase true damage on Molten Edge. True damage gain should remain the same for both Infinity Edge and Edge. Because getting more true damage from an item such at this one would be the only reason for Ornn to make a comeback....and lose identity chrysis by changing him from a blacksmith to a true damage power house. I'm against this change. I'd rather have 100 ad and 10% true damage on Molten Edge thsn 95 ad amd 15% true damage.

Completely agree with you!

If it stays at 15%, whichever team has Ornn and enough crit users = win.

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MF crit was only a thing with old ER

Ornn when strong is oppressive and anti fun to play with or against.

I'd rather they not make his Molten Edge have a bigger true damage % conversion.

OmegaNITROJul 19, 20181 votes

I think it's fine. The upgrade lost 5 AD for 5% true damage. IE users don't win NOW with 15% true damage, so I'm pretty confident having it on a 4200 gold item won't break the meta.

IllabetheJul 19, 20181 votes

lol. Yasuo with IE is doing over 1000 damage autos 5 times a second atm. Don't win? lmfao.

And its base item is 3200 now, and still gives 10%. And every crit item is also down 200g. Aka..... adcs are going to have 100% crit in 3 items for 800 less gold. Yasuo will have 100% crit and 10% true for 600 less G.