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fuck your autofill

Janakin··32 votes·11,706 views

I set mid / top my premade set jgl / top

i got adc and he got supp

thank you for 30 seconds queue ... that is exactly what we wanted

45 Comments

Absolut Garen19 votes

Yeah, I'd rather have longer queues and better matches, and I think that most would agree. Whether for position or for MMR,

Eleshakai4 votes

How much longer are you willing to deal with?

What if it was 20 minutes during primetime and 60 otherwise? Would you still be okay with it?

Midg3t6 votes

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How much longer are you willing to deal with?

What if it was 20 minutes during primetime and 60 otherwise? Would you still be okay with it?

Which wont happen anywhere before diamond. Prolly not even there.

Eleshakai2 votes

Actually, queue times would probably be lower in diamond than elsewhere without autofill. More people are willing to support when their teammates aren't terrible, and I believe junglers are more represented in master+ than elsewhere due to the agency of the role.

But yes, I do actually believe it would happen... well, except for me. I play support so it's all good to me. Reduces my queue times to 0 forever. But I don't know that I want allies who've been waiting THAT long... everyone would be so grumpy, and if a game doesn't go perfect people would RAGE so bad because they waited so long.

RavenMagus3 votes

More people are willing to support when their teammates aren't terrible

I don't know, pretty sure even diamond players think their teammates are terrible. With the kind of community we have, the average d1 player probably thinks all d2 players are complete garbage.

oortoomeebreesuu7 votes

from everybody who used teambuilder: yes

True Garen6 votes

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How much longer are you willing to deal with?

What if it was 20 minutes during primetime and 60 otherwise? Would you still be okay with it?

I'd be willing to wait twice as long as I wait now. For starters. There are diminishing returns with this sort of thing, and since a game may be surrendered at 15 minutes, the maximum queue tme should be significantly shorter.

The point is, even now, with a goal of 3m queue time, they actually goto lobby in 15s AND then give autofill. Let's at least wait the full 3m before applying autofill...

Which is what OP was saying, I'm sure.

Eleshakai4 votes

No, he's saying he hates autofill and wants it gone. Autofill is literally the only reason we have sub-10 minute queues. Probably the only reason we have sub-20 minute queues right now with the fact that BOTH Jungler and Support are essentially at record low popularity levels(okay, Yuumi spiked support up a bit but that's falling off now).

That being said, maybe I should be encouraging you guys. The less autofill there is, the shorter my queue times since I play support... but I don't think LoL would survive very long with 10+ minute queue times and I kind of like the game.

True Garen4 votes

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No, he's saying he hates autofill and wants it gone. Autofill is literally the only reason we have sub-10 minute queues. Probably the only reason we have sub-20 minute queues right now with the fact that BOTH Jungler and Support are essentially at record low popularity levels(okay, Yuumi spiked support up a bit but that's falling off now).

That being said, maybe I should be encouraging you guys. The less autofill there is, the shorter my queue times since I play support... but I don't think LoL would survive very long with 10+ minute queue times and I kind of like the game.

I mean, he did mention "30 second queue" - I think that he was literal, because I get that myself. I'd rather wait a couple minutes, to try and get a closer match (and it seemed to me that this was his point, too). Personally, I'm more concerned about good MMR alignments, premade vs premade issues, etc, than about autofil.

However, it does seem like, if JG gets autofil, then the Most Effective Tactic Available to any individual in that team lobby is Dodge.

GodlyBane3 votes

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No, he's saying he hates autofill and wants it gone. Autofill is literally the only reason we have sub-10 minute queues. Probably the only reason we have sub-20 minute queues right now with the fact that BOTH Jungler and Support are essentially at record low popularity levels(okay, Yuumi spiked support up a bit but that's falling off now).

That being said, maybe I should be encouraging you guys. The less autofill there is, the shorter my queue times since I play support... but I don't think LoL would survive very long with 10+ minute queue times and I kind of like the game.

Actually support picked up popularity in the last year, competing woth top. Jg is least played

Eleshakai2 votes

In NA, Support and jungle are, according to the last published numbers, within ~.5% of each other. (https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/VyEXF18K-quick-gameplay-thoughts-march-20)

Top is about 2% above Support.

If you look worldwide, Support is about 2% below jungle which is the second lowest role. If you look worldwide at high MMR, jungle is actually higher than both support AND top, who are virtually identical.

Not sure where you get your info, but you're wrong.

church arson4 votes

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How much longer are you willing to deal with?

What if it was 20 minutes during primetime and 60 otherwise? Would you still be okay with it?

Impossible.

I get whatever role I put in 95% of the time. No matter what I put in.

No way in hell we are getting 20 min q when we are making that 100%.

Unless you are an undercover challenger, of course.

You'll probably wait 20 mins with autofill anyway there.

Eleshakai2 votes

I remember reading a Riot comment a while back that said that their internal simulations without autofill had queue times 10-20 times longer. My average queue in gold is about a minute, 2-3 in off-hours. Do the math, I guess?

General Esdeath 10 votes

B-BUT THEN QUEUE TIMES WOULD BE SO LONG! OOH JESUS CHRIST ON A CRACKER CAN YOU IMAGINED WAITING 8 MINUTES FOR A GOOD 30-40 MINUTE GAME?!? OH LORD I'M CATCHING A CASE OF THE VAPORS!

Eleshakai4 votes

What about 20 minutes? How about 60 during off-times? Because those are more realistic estimates.

General Esdeath 3 votes

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What about 20 minutes? How about 60 during off-times? Because those are more realistic estimates.

For ranked? I'd still take it 😂

Eleshakai2 votes

I... doubt that if that was actually a reality you'd be okay with it. But I can't prove it, so I guess good for you? lol

General Esdeath 4 votes

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I... doubt that if that was actually a reality you'd be okay with it. But I can't prove it, so I guess good for you? lol

If I wanted a fast match I'd go for normals :V

Eleshakai2 votes

I still feel like waiting 20-60 minutes you'd hit the point where you'd be waiting and just give up and go do something else and not come back. Maybe you just love LoL so much that you wouldn't hit this point... but few others would be standing there with you. Even a lot of pros go play on smurfs when queue times cross 10 minutes just 'cause they'd rather not wait, even if it increases the quality of the game.

General Esdeath 3 votes

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I still feel like waiting 20-60 minutes you'd hit the point where you'd be waiting and just give up and go do something else and not come back. Maybe you just love LoL so much that you wouldn't hit this point... but few others would be standing there with you. Even a lot of pros go play on smurfs when queue times cross 10 minutes just 'cause they'd rather not wait, even if it increases the quality of the game.

Don't forget those pros are mostly streamers who don't want to stream a long queue time

HeeroTX3 votes

NUMEROUS people have made posts requesting the ability to toggle autofill on/off. It seems pretty simple to get the ACTUAL numbers on this, just put in that feature and bam you can clearly see in black and white how many people prioritize what.

Eleshakai2 votes

Of course people have made requests. They don't like it when it happens. But they don't understand the consequences.

There's a lot more to just putting in the feature than you realize..... logistically speaking, there are a lot of decisions to be made:

  1. Do we create an entirely separate queue, or do we allow autofill with non-autofill?
  2. Do we separate MMR, since you're removing one of the systems inherent assumptions - that some of your games are with off-roles?
  3. If we separate MMR, do we also create separate ranks?

Not to mention the fact that there are a lot of people who are really dumb out there(I worked tech support for 10 years, I dealt with them all the time) - people would see the feature, be like 'woohoo no autofill!', queue up, wait like 10-15 minutes, then give up and go play something else and never come back to LoL.

I guarantee you, 100%, not a doubt in my mind, that implementing this would cost Riot - no matter how they did it - literally hundreds of thousands of customers, if not more.

Swarovsko4 votes

wow the boards didnt change that much did they

FallenShaw4 votes

Auto fill is the bane of the game. It was made so the few wouldn't have to wait 5 to 10 mins for a game because there were so few challenger players. So Riot screwed the masses of players to help the few. I personally suggest people start boycotting spending money for anything in league till they remove autofill.

Players will argue you should be able to play all roles, I infact have a much more VALID argument to counter. League of Legends is a Game, a Games purpose is to have fun. It is not fun to be FORCED, under threat of perma ban, to play something you don't want to. To spend 30 mins to an hour of your time doing something you didn't want to. That is not fun for anyone. Riot doesn't even give you an option to select if i can't play this i'd rather not play. They threaten and bully players into it.

2ndly Autofill destorys ranked games, both for the player autofilled and the members of his/her team. Why? because your putting players in a position against similar players of skill that he's not of that skill in. Thus rendering winning or loseing as a Random event. A auto filled bot lane will lose to a one trick bot lane 9 times outta 10. then you have 2 fed people who know every aspect of their champions and combo's together running around the map snowballing the game.

Eleshakai3 votes

This is false.

Auto-fill was made to prevent the AVERAGE PLAYER from having to wait well over 10 minutes for a game.

Autofill is what is keeping this game alive, because half the playerbase would quit in a heartbeat if wait times were as high as they would be without it.

FallenShaw3 votes

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This is false.

Auto-fill was made to prevent the AVERAGE PLAYER from having to wait well over 10 minutes for a game.

Autofill is what is keeping this game alive, because half the playerbase would quit in a heartbeat if wait times were as high as they would be without it.

This is a bold face lie. Eleshakai wishes you to believe it was for the average League of legends player. While as of the last public report i've read League of Legends is the most played video game in the world Fact. Fact that over 120 million players play each month. Fact Diamond and above are the top 3% of the player base. So there is no way this was made for the average player. The que times for the average bronze silver and gold players at the time was never 10mins Fact. I played before the system was in place, the longest i ever waited and i was gold, was 5 min and that was a sole rare occasion. Players would call their positions and actually talk before game about an overall strat. average wait times were 2 to 3 mins. But people got to play what they wanted where they wanted, and the game was over all less toxic.

Eleshakai1 votes

No, it's not a bold faced lie. It is a statement based off of what Riot has said, and I would trust their word over you, Fallenshaw, unless you're secretly a disgruntled Riot employee sharing trade secrets and hoping your manager doesn't find out. shrugs Could be, I suppose.

Riot has stated on numerous cases that without an auto-fill system but WITH a 'queue for role' system, the wait times would be insane due to the disparity of role preference. You can doubt them if you wish, but they have the data and I choose to trust them on this since it makes sense. As a support my queue times are insanely low, near-instant most of the time. The only way this makes sense is if there is a massive disparity in role preference.

Prior to this system being in place, EVERYONE played fill. So every game you were auto-filled. Literally every game. That's why queue times were low. Because every game your role was largely random, so of course they could make games fast. They didn't have to care what the players wanted to play, they could just throw any five players in the same rank range together and say 'have at it!'

It is perfectly reasonable to prefer that system. I don't, I like that I can queue for the role I want to play and have a relatively good chance of getting it. To each their own there.

However, claiming there was LESS toxicity in the past is rose-coloured glasses at work. You're forgetting all the negativity. Champ select was FULL of people bitching that someone else picked their role when they'd called it, and whining about who had to be support, and fighting over roles. I can't count the number of 'okay we're both jungling' or 'welp I guess we have no jungler! Have fun!' because nobody wanted to do it. Hell, the toxicity over trying to pick who had to support was a large part of why I started maining support. I figured it was easier for me to just play it and learn to love it than to have to deal with people fighting to avoid it every game. You really need to get in touch with reality if you think the old system didn't breed toxicity, man. You're LITERALLY in denial.

Saezio4 votes

Autofill should enable only after a certain amount of time has already been waited. Or give a pop up that you can get to a match but be autofilled and chose to take it or not.

Or remove the position assigning and make it MMR pick order like it used to be.

Personal opinion obviously.

Fe4 Player3 votes

Took me weeks to level up this new account cause my mains MMR is wrecked, the first game of ranked at getting auto-filled as support. I'd rather wait a few extra minutes than play an off-role with more chance of losing the game. Riot needs to address this issue, no one likes it so why is it in the game?

Bisaknosp3 votes

i took fill

getting mid/top while person that queues mid/top gets something else logic

ZaFishbone3 votes

Autofuck your fill!

TSM Reptilian3 votes

Theoretically,autofill actually increases queue time because many players choose to dodge because they didn't get the desired role,or because the autofilled player decides to troll.

PositiveMental413 votes

Its so 4 fun players can que up for rank faster inting your games not taking it seriously. If the ques took longer they wouldnt bother quing for rank. I believe there should be autofill in norms but not solo duo

MegaHuff3 votes

They need to just add a "least preferred role" option already. So at the very least if I'm going to autofill I don't have to play a role I'm jack shit at. :(

Legengary13 votes

I am currently lv 10 and it is almost impossible to believe. How Bad Autofill really is.

To be honest, in my last ~10 games werent that great. I got autofilled in 5 out of 6 games.

I did not play 4 of these games. After I made the decision to leave champselect. Once I got my selected role. That game, turned out to be a remake after 3mins. So in the end I always left the champselect, after I tried to switch lanes with someone. In the second game, I requested a laneswap and thanks god, he agreed. Before i leave the champselect, I always ask to swap lanes.

4 Times Support and 1 time AD Carry. The games were within 2 days. I did not skip any matches. So my queue looked likes this. Not including any champselects, where anyone else except me left.

Autofill Sup >Left. Autofill Sup >Left. Next day.... Autofill Sup >Left. Got my Lane >Remake. Autofill ADC >Switched Lanes. Won

My 7 Games lose streak just ended. That was the game i got Autofill ADC >Switched lanes. Won 2 out of 7 games, were remakes. The other games included a lot of Afkers. Ragequitters. Trolls. Not to mention, half the players are smurfs being silver+ or low platin. Can anyone imagine the frustration behind this. Lets not talk about legit beginners playing for the first time, getting hardcore tilted. Eventually quitting league completely.

Sidenote I peaked at Diamond 1 twice in 2 seasons. My current ranking is Plat 3. The other seasons were Gold/Platin, due to me taking a break from league. I did not play every season. I dont type much and flame very little, in those super bad games with 2 afkers. Most of my chat is only me being nice and motivating my team, to win or acknowledging the good movements, throughout the game. Not once did I get banned. Yesterday I recieved a chat restriction, for my bad behavior to one of the obvious Trolls.

There is no joy, to playing this game anymore. It feels bad, combined with the Autofill, on top of that. I cant imagine, how a REAL Beginner, can get past all this. In some of those Normal games, i had to play to reach lv10. REAL Beginners got annihilated, ragequitting or feeding suuuuuper bad.

The reason I started a smurf, was to play with a fresh account reaching high. After I got tilted and ruined my MMR on the main account. I regret, spending a single hour in League. This season is probably the worst, i thought.

Glaricion2 votes

Then you find out your top and jangle were going their off-roles and main queued for ADC/Support (actually happens) : X

Don't get me wrong, I like being able to queue up and get matched in 0-60s, but would much rather wait 360 seconds and be guaranteed that I'm getting the roles that I actually want/know how to play. (if I get put into jungle 80% chance that the enemy has +4kp on me and is two levels ahead by 15 minutes)

DeleteSuppRole2 votes

For me if i get autofilled i can dodge once twice and for the third time ill call it a day and won't play, it's a win win, however it's most devastating when your team is autofilled they don't say anything and proceed to rob your life of everything that's meaningful and pure and lose you a game that would've been not entirely winnable but at least fair.

Akali Prime2 votes

i find really really REALLY shit that you and your duo can both be autofilled at the same time and when your autofilled 9/10 your duo will be autofilled aswell.

PiVoRx1 votes

I actually miss pick order of S4, at least i could ask to go supp if i didnt get a main role.

Batusao1 votes

Yeah let people set one role...their PREFERRED ROLE, and wait in a queue. I'd happily wait 3-4 minutes to get what I want. ESPECIALLY considering I have to go through 4-5 dodges between matches because of the autofill system that's supposed to get me in quicker. Seriously, I once went through 7 fucking dodges before I got into a game. At least half of them the autofilled person waited until the last possible fucking second to leave, wasting even more of my time.

The whole autofill system is poorly thought out, implemented, and whoever the fuck though of it needs to be fired. It's not possible for people to get better at what they want if they are forced into doing stupid shit they don't enjoy. It certainly isn't an issue with there not being enough players, and even if it were merging servers would solve the issue.

This coming from a Support main...i'd rather have people on my team that get what they want as opposed to people who are forced into it.

[zombie-brand-clap]

preternatural1 votes

who are these fucking casuals who have infested the game and are unable to play more than 1 role.

worse yet they're the solo lane/jgl premade shitters who can't do anything solo. get out, you and your uninformed ideas will destroy this game, trashers.

iokasmsdasndkasn1 votes

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who are these fucking casuals who have infested the game and are unable to play more than 1 role.

worse yet they're the solo lane/jgl premade shitters who can't do anything solo. get out, you and your uninformed ideas will destroy this game, trashers.

damn so you actually enjoy not getting your lane? thats crazy man have fun with that, im over here trying to play my main lane for some reason lol who knows. fucking idiot, why would people want to play their off role. Funny how some try hard loser kid thinks hes better than everyone so feels the need to talk shit lol, kys.

Big Boss 23501 votes

Yeah fuck you Riot you pieces of shits

iokasmsdasndkasn1 votes

Auto fill is literally the worst part about this game, i dont understand why riot had the bright idea to make people play roles they never play for no reason at all. I actually want anyone to reply to this telling me a reason why auto fill is in the game, who gives a shit if ur queue timer is a minute faster, i want to play my damn role and i dont understand why riot thinks autofilling is gonna help anyone have more fun or have a better game. Auto fill was the worst idea anyone ever came up with so yea fuck auto fill, stupid as shit.

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