@Meddler: Let me show you what we mean by "The Damage Is Too High"

Janakin·Aug 1, 2018·197 votes·25,645 views

Level 12 with the score 2/5 shooting one Q into lvl 12 .

EDIT: Checking her runes now and realizing, that if she took Celerity instead of Absolute Focus, used her , I'm pretty sure I'd die from that Q.

EDIT 2: I'm really surprised how many people missed the point of this post. I'm not complaining about MF being OP, or saying that the game is imbalanced. All I'm trying to show with this is, that I don't think the game should look like this. There is a difference between balance and gameplay design. Explained more into detail at one of my comments: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/QAFgm9oE-meddler-let-me-show-you-what-we-mean-by-the-damage-is-too-high?comment=00140000

197 Comments

Beatrice fallsAug 1, 2018176 votes

Outplayed https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/744/400/8d2.jpg

Velzard of KozAug 1, 201816 votes

Outstormrazor'd

EDIT: Nevermind, she didn't even have Stormrazor. That's depressing.

saltranAug 1, 20185 votes

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Outstormrazor'd

EDIT: Nevermind, she didn't even have Stormrazor. That's depressing.

Even if she had StomR it wouldn't work since MF Q cant crit.

Velzard of KozAug 1, 20181 votes

Well she targeted directly but the second shot can crit.

TerozuAug 1, 20181 votes

The second shot always crits.

Velzard of KozAug 1, 20184 votes

No only if it kills first target. Or If you have StormR ready. But it can crit by chance.

Salvor HardınAug 1, 201874 votes

Damage is fine.... https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/91af8b9a7b93731c6678aba80b899695534126abcfdbb5aac9e4078e183e175c.png

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 1, 201841 votes

Xayah had about 70% HP, and MF's Q did 60% of her HP.

SEEMS LEGIT

But in all seriousness how are you suppose to expect how much damage each champion will do in this game anymore? If champions like MF who aren't ahead or even fed deal that much...

JanakinAug 1, 20189 votes

That Q did literally 900 damage ...

EDIT: Realized that MF's Q doesn't proc item 3095 , hence removed that part of the comment.

D2T UndeedsAug 1, 20186 votes

Not 100% sure but I don't think MF's Q procs Stormrazor, it's not a basic attack and the first hit can't crit.

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 1, 20182 votes

I think it does though, since her Q applies on-hit effects.

D2T UndeedsAug 1, 20188 votes

I can't test it out right now but Stormrazor's tooltip mentions it activates on basic attacks, obviously there are exceptions with some attacks applying on-hit effects. However in order for Stormrazor to proc, the attack needs to be able to critically strike, like GP's Q for instance. MF's first hit of Q doesn't crit which is why I don't think it would trigger Stormrazor.

If all that was required is an attack applying on-hit effects, it would probably be a core item on Ezreal but it isn't because Ez's Q can't crit.

z63XnLCMwXAug 1, 201827 votes

If she did that much no bounce, imagine how much it would hit with bounce.

JanakinAug 1, 20186 votes

Exactly my thoughts after eating that Q :D.

D357R0Y3RAug 1, 201823 votes

Meddler be like:

"that's some good shit right there, let me nerf MissFortune "

Douglas FunnieAug 1, 201850 votes

"... Let me buff MissFortune so that she can completely one shot xayah."

FIXED*

JanakinAug 1, 20188 votes

"That noob Xayah didn't flash in time and wasn't punished by dying??? wtf??? BUFF!!!" (jk, but hopefully he will realize there's something not right with the damage...)

GigglesOAug 1, 20183 votes

It only took 7 seasons of gutting tank stats/items...

saltranAug 1, 20185 votes

Nah, she is ignored on pro play so she will not be nerfed.

PhDs NutsAug 1, 201822 votes

OP: "Look how much damage this 2/5 level 12 MF can do with one Q this season, isn't this stupid?" Boards: "But she has X rune and X item passive, that's designed."

That's the point

For a full season 8 meme, MF would have used Q+ignite for 90+% of Xayah's HP

Douglas FunnieAug 1, 201820 votes

wait, you survived!?

JanakinAug 1, 201820 votes

Luckily I immediately flashed, if she pressed AA + Q, I would be dead as fuck.

Solidair3Aug 1, 201818 votes

Lethality simply shouldn't be viable on ranged characters. If you want that damage, you should have to go IN.

saltranAug 1, 20181 votes

Then give MF another viable build because she can only buy it.

Solidair3Aug 1, 20187 votes

Sure. Here's what I use on her in a standard game: item 3508 item 3006 item 3094 item 3031 item 3026 item 3072

Moons of JupiterAug 1, 201814 votes

{quoted}

Lethality simply shouldn't be viable on ranged characters. If you want that damage, you should have to go IN.

Ah yes, because getting oneshot by wukong from stealth is a joy and acceptable

TrikzterzArmaAug 1, 201815 votes

Dude, just dodge her attacks. / The Boards

JanakinAug 1, 20188 votes

https://imgur.com/XrPLfg6

StephenizgodAug 1, 201812 votes

You see that clip of Imaqtpie getting killed by a Zoe who missed every single ability but still killed him with an Ignite and a few auto's?

She wasn't fed and only had like an item and a half or something. Even the Zoe /all chatted that he was able to kill him without landing a single ability. Some might say "nerf Zoe she OP" and while i agree she is ridiculous its more the fact there is too much damage in everything.

My Waifu VanillaAug 1, 20181 votes

That clip where qt cancelled an auto and only shot Q and 2 autos and STILL almost killed her as well? Goes both ways sweetie. If qt got his 4th shot off she would have died.

JanakinAug 1, 20187 votes

Dude, but should the league of legends combat really look like that?

Napoleon3Aug 1, 201810 votes

hahhahhaa that was not even crit lol

saltranAug 1, 20185 votes

I mean...MF Q literally cant crit ont he first hit.

Kumiho AhriAug 1, 20189 votes

MissFortune item 3147 item 3134 item 3095 All these passives stat up to a lethal first strike.

JanakinAug 1, 201823 votes

But she doesn't even have item 3095 yet :/.

Kumiho AhriAug 1, 20182 votes

Her build: item 3142 item 3147 item 3134 item 3095 item 1055 item 1001 What else was could have been the blue pixeleted icon in the video?

JanakinAug 1, 201820 votes

It's item 1037 , look closer mate :-).

saltranAug 1, 201850 votes

It was actually item 3147 item 3142 item 3134 item 1037 item 1055

Edit: and base boots

Kumiho AhriAug 1, 20189 votes

Ah ... ok. mb :p

SaiannaAug 1, 201840 votes

Gotta nerf 'dem base boots. Too deadly.

SEKAIAug 1, 20189 votes

I mean, given how fights are often over in less than 0.5 seconds these days, you'd think the game's damage is a bit high in comparison to sustain?

But ayyyyyyyyyyy

BEK MakadurAug 1, 201817 votes

Damage isn´t high in comparison to sustain, but in comparison to survivability.

SEKAIAug 1, 20183 votes

{quoted}

Damage isn´t high in comparison to sustain, but in comparison to survivability.

Well, yes, that's the term I was reaching for.

Thanks for the clarification.

BernAug 1, 20189 votes

2/5/5 with better items and CS than xayah (two completed lethality items and a dirk) applying duskblade and love tap passive?

Looks right to me tbh

DrCyanideAug 1, 201825 votes

In what world is it "about right" for a single basic ability connecting to take 75% of a champions HP? Particularly when the champion firing said basic ability isn't an assassin/burst mage, but part of a DPS class? And aren't targeted abilities suppose to do less damage than skillshots?

This is not right. Sure, you can do the math and figure out how it added up to that much damage, but League of Legends shouldn't have reached the point where that was possible.

Daddy AntsAug 1, 201815 votes

{quoted}

2/5/5 with better items and CS than xayah (two completed lethality items and a dirk) applying duskblade and love tap passive?

Looks right to me tbh

Nothing right about that at all.

l MrD lAug 1, 20187 votes

i can understand that damage if it was dark harvest and MF got a load of stacks and made it to late game ...but this is only a level 12 mf which shows its not late game and more early and considering shes 2/5 so shes not fed either..... These runes have messed up the game in a big way.... Masteires and runes should have never been grouped together ... its done nothing but do the opposite of diversity.... its mainly now what helps me do so much damage ....... you see one player lpay something and everyone else does it ... its not diversity its just abusing whats broken .... Wolrds 2018 will be a boring fiesta just kill after kill after overloaded kill ....

JanakinAug 1, 20184 votes

I feel you, however I think that putting masteries and runes together wasn't really a bad idea. It was just poorly performed. This way it's nearly impossible for a human to keep track of so many important stuff, like enemy summs, their spell cooldowns and their runes (their cd, stacks, effects). It's 5*(2 + 5 + 6) = 65 enemy effects + their items, so sometimes it's like 80 effects/attacks. With the old runes and masteries you could be like: Ok, so he's going for runes stacked with armor and is using thunderlord, and that was it.

YoRHa 2BAug 1, 20183 votes

Don't forget that MF had Dark Harvest

JanakinAug 1, 201817 votes

2 lethality items + dirk and pickaxe, duskblade's passive, MF's passive, absolute focus, dark harvest, damage from the Q itself, some little AD from gathering storm and eyeball collection. I get why she did such a damage. I just don't get why is it allowed to achieve it in this game, especially when the player is not even performing well. Also it's nearly impossible to keep track of so many damage factors - for every opponent. Damage output estimation is fading away.