Why are there no Ivern or Lucian nerfs on the PBE?

Eedat·Mar 29, 2017·23 votes·1,073 views

18 Comments

IncarcerationMar 30, 201710 votes

How about Ahri nerfs.

EedatMar 30, 20174 votes

those too

Braum MechanicsMar 30, 20173 votes

Ivern is fairly skillful. If a player is good with him, he's gonna dominate. It's not some champ anyone can pick up and start winning games. I think Ivern is in a fairly good spot.

Lucian just got back into the spotlight. He was in a very bad shape for quite some time. Granted he's dominating right now but he'll be tuned soon enough.

Big LincolnMar 30, 20175 votes

http://www.champion.gg/champion/ivern/Jungle

win % by games played here tells me otherwise senpai

Troll for TrumpMar 30, 20171 votes

That just tells me champion.gg statistics smell like trash

EedatMar 30, 20171 votes

Ivern is a very low skillcap champion lol

Troll for TrumpMar 30, 20171 votes

Triggerseed intensifies

freeloader25Mar 30, 20172 votes

i wouldnt say that he has a low skillcap. mechanically wise yes, his abilities are easy to use, but there is no other jungle champ as reliant on pathing. a bad ivern will be 2 lvl behind the other jungler, a good ivern will be 2 lvl ahead. still agreeing that he is too strong currently.

EedatMar 30, 20172 votes

not trying to be an ass here but jungle pathing is extremely important for all champs. Iverns is slightly different, but once you figure out the basics its not difficult

freeloader25Mar 30, 20171 votes

youre not an ass for that :D ofc its true that pathing is important no matter what champ you play, but i feel like ivern relies pretty heavily on denying the enemies invades because he has to invest time and ressources before he even can take a camp without smite.

if i play another jungler and want to take a camp but the enemy invaded me i can use my ressources somewhere else, gank, invade him myself, farm other camps, but ivern has to invest into and kinda "protect" his camps which makes him suffer from invades on marked camps pretty hard. ofc ivern has well invades aswell as long as he has smite, but if both junglers invade each other ivern will most likely lose and have to take a higher risk if he wants to take all available camps imo.

long story short: hes more vulnerable to mistakes regarding the pathing than most other junglers which makes him pretty unforgiving for unexperienced players imo

GayFluffyUnicornMar 30, 20171 votes

Except that op.gg states his winrates even higher. He is the top champ in diamond + There is clearly something going with him but i dont know what i see him rarely since he is either banned or lee and shaco get picked. The one serious risk with ivern is that you end up with no dmg as i did in a game and lose solely because you have only two mediocre dmg dealers getting outscaled

Edge of DaybreakMar 29, 20171 votes

They aren't assassins. Iverns basically a support and lucian is an adc. Supports are rarely nerfed if they are ridiculous and there is pretty much always going to be an adc that blows away the other ones and even then lucian just got to this point so give riot a little time to address him.

IncarcerationMar 30, 20171 votes

Bump

Troll for TrumpMar 30, 20171 votes

How about we buff champions that don't need buffs?

A Bad NasusMar 30, 20171 votes

It is their time to shine in the spotlight!

Pendergast891Mar 30, 20171 votes

I believe ivern's numbers are fine. It's how strong redemption and locket are, especially when combined with his shield, that's the problem.

ForgiveColourMar 30, 20171 votes

Nice asking for lucian nerfs when it hasnt been one patch yet. Funny to see guys defend broken ap champ with muh product of meta but it never applies to ad champs