PSA: Riot knows Aatrox sucks right now. They will fix it. Please stop rage posting about Aatrox.

Oleandervine·Mar 10, 2017·72 votes·3,589 views

Meddler, 2 Days Ago:

"Yep, there'll be followup needed. We think the pattern the kit changes move Aatrox towards is better, that's not to say the numbers are right however.

Looking at Aatrox's performance today so far he's having a really tough time of it. Some of that's expected (people who've never played him trying him, people experimenting with builds or doing what used to work but isn't great anymore). We're seeing significantly worse performance than we'd expect from just that though if he was in a good place. We're going to start testing buffs as a result, possibly for the next patch, possibly for a hotfix before then depending on how Aatrox does over the next few days."

Source: HERE

85 Comments

Sraeg2013Mar 10, 201717 votes

They will fix it.

Like how they did with Cassiopeia or Mordekaiser, am I right?

OleandervineMar 10, 20176 votes

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Like how they did with Cassiopeia or Mordekaiser, am I right?

And Riot has acknowledged that this is not the be all end all. They have said it is a fix until they can free resources to do a more advanced GPU.

Sraeg2013Mar 10, 201715 votes

And Riot has acknowledged that this is not the be all end all. They have said it is a fix until they can free resources to do a more advanced GPU.

And this can take anywhere from half a year to half a decade.

Blackstone01Mar 11, 201711 votes

Yeah, they need two or three more ryze reworks first.

Gregor GysiMar 11, 20174 votes

Cassopeia is and has been in a great place for quite a while now.

Morde is been a huge fuckup, not gonna lie, although he seems to be viable again botlane thanks to Ninja Tabi.

Sraeg2013Mar 11, 20171 votes

"Great place" as far as the winrate is concerned maybe.

I can guarantee she'd be dumpstered with nerfs within a week after getting anyhow popular.

KensueMar 11, 201712 votes

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macromiteMar 11, 20176 votes

to be fair he was the worst before as well.

LordGeovanniMar 11, 20171 votes

you sure that wasnt Kassadin i ddint even remember him i just looked for some one worse and i see kass less than aatrox mostly because i play aatrox but even with out that i dont see kass

macromiteMar 11, 20171 votes

not counting me or people that I have persuaded, I have seen about three kassadins, and 0 pre update Aatroxs. Also unlike Aatrox, kass was giant for a season, and really needs to be in that dumpster.

Wukong AirwaysMar 11, 20175 votes

No he didn't suck before, he was just underperforming yeah I get it, but he was good in the right hands. I personally enjoyed playing him, I knew I was safe with his old passive and the more you duel the more AS you get. now you need to hit your whole damn spells, AA 6 times to activate a shitty AD and AS steroid that you lose in 4.

macromiteMar 11, 20173 votes

to activate passive, the easy and reliable way to do it is pretty simple, hit q, hit e, hit r, use third auto. that activates your boost and also makes you nearly unduelable all at once. you need to keep in mind that part of why aatrox was shit was because his passive boost and ult both only gave attack speed, which was bad because aatrox also wanted to build attack speed, which meant that you were incredibly oversaturating attack speed, and killing damage.

also, realistically you should be building your passive over time pre 6 by hitting e and then going in when it's ready, not unlike annie or vlad, the other champions that build passives over time.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 11, 20171 votes

actually, I'm pretty sure Mundo is the worst champ in the game atm.

Aatrox is pretty close though.

JSTIN8Mar 12, 20171 votes

Until Riot makes GW not easily affordable for 800 gold, or allows Mundo to ignore GW, he will always either be Broken or useless. Currently very very useless

ParoeMar 12, 20171 votes

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Until Riot makes GW not easily affordable for 800 gold, or allows Mundo to ignore GW, he will always either be Broken or useless. Currently very very useless

tbh GW is meant to and should only counter lifesteal and raw heals. Riot needs to seperate HP/5 from other kinds of HP regen so that regen tanks like mundo can be viable.

Earl EulrichMar 10, 201710 votes

so what has Riot actually fixed in the last two seasons?

i´m honestly asking this, i can´t think of anything right now.

Legacy HydralphaMar 10, 201711 votes

Tank Ekko is the very least I can remember.

Sraeg2013Mar 10, 20175 votes

https://img.memesuper.com/b801d5aecd7ef8180b7313a02b91dc80_therandomderps-profile-umm-ok-memes_537-386.png

Fondling GemsMar 11, 20177 votes

Tank Ekko, sated devourer, constant lane swaps in every game, support itemization took a huge turn for the better.

It depends on what you define as fixed. All too often there is nothing broken. The point is making things better. If you want a list of things that were literally "fixed" then go through the patch notes for the past two seasons and look at all the bug fixes. There are a few hundred at the least.

LordGeovanniMar 11, 20172 votes

Tank ekko was not fixed ekko was supposed to have a buiser path and they pretty much made that bad. Ekko isnt fixed he is still annoyingly strong at any point int he game. Sated devourer isnt fixed its gone. Lane swaps are a strategic decision way to go with that. better... better.... better....

Fondling GemsMar 11, 20173 votes

Lane swaps made games stale and boring, Ekko is now in a balanced state, a champion does not need to be trashed to be balanced, and removing something can be the solution to the problem.

Your arguments are all pretty flawed. Stop trying to see the negative in everything and at least be open to both sides of an argument if you can't manage to look at the positive.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 11, 20171 votes

I think they fixed Zed. Ekko and Poppy too. They gave CDR on Zhonyas. They changed the fully upgraded AD tear to be auto activated which is nice. The WW change was good. Rotating game modes and they gave us back solo queue. Insanely good skins, winter rift map. They removed the super unhealthy "ban yi or lose" devourer strategy

They've fixed a lot it's just easy to look past because they fuck up even more things

Fallen ArtemisMar 11, 20171 votes

All the mage/assassins that werent supposed to be tanks; Ekko, Akali, Fizz, and im sure there are others than im forgetting. They also fixed that Shyvana Smite and TP Cinderhulk top lane shit that happened in Season 5.

VerxintMar 10, 20179 votes

http://i.imgur.com/XeYpMAu.png

This really activates my almonds

ModAcademy KaynMar 10, 20176 votes

Granted 51 games isn't the biggest testing pool, people playing Aatrox the same when he was changed is rather counter intuitive.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 11, 20172 votes

Well, with the first build, most people playing a fairly immobile melee as full damage are not going to have a good time realistically.

nOOb arabMar 11, 20178 votes

They know SH** If they knew what they were doing they wouldn't have proceeded with the changes to begin with.

so what are the buffs? 2 sec CD on a damage nerfed spell? W buff which heavily relies on AS which was nerfed from his passive into steroids that are HARD to activate and fast to lose?

you see, the most critical nerf Aatrox received was his passive nerf. now it takes you forever to activate the non-item-scaling nerfed AS and AD and any enemy with average IQ will know how to dodge your spells and dueling you so you lose your bars then you can't revive/they dodge the steroids.

You have so much faith in Riot when the whole season is messed up, some champs are literally op and they never consider to change that they know what they're doing ,while others are being underperforming and still nerfed.

DerfelMar 10, 20177 votes

Hahahaha they will fix it. Here's how they could fix it. Revert the rework.

Are they doing that? Nope. They're going to give him more stats. Players are telling them his new passive feels really really bad. Their response? Well our ideas are never bad so it must be a stat problem. The sheep? Well all of Riot's reworks are great and must serve a purpose because they're paid to do this so new Aatrox must be less toxic than old Aatrox that's the ticket that's why Aatrox is in this sorry ass state and might be for another few years (see nearly every other rework they've ever done).

Also people never seem to realize this, but the same people who thought this new Aatrox was a good idea are the same people being put in charge of "fixing" him.

NymzoMar 11, 20177 votes

God damn

It's sad that Riot doesn't have a way to test their new changes with the public.

You know? Like some kind of League of Legends test or something.

To make sure they don't end up with shit like this.

They should work on that.

DJMason88Mar 11, 20171 votes

Well not everybody has a PBE account.

NymzoMar 11, 20171 votes

I'm 100% sure there's at least 500 people with a PBE account.

DJMason88Mar 11, 20173 votes

And i doubt most of them play Aatrox a lot, and im guessing a lot also didn't test out him.

PMMEAATROXBUFFSMar 11, 20172 votes

But you do know the people who DID have a PBE account shared their experience with the nerfed Aatrox and all of it went unheard, right?

9L9L9L9L9L9L9LMar 10, 20175 votes

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ZephyrDrakeMar 10, 20172 votes

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But how though, they literally destroyed his passive.

because that's all he is. His passive right?

Lord MalpercioMar 11, 20175 votes

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because that's all he is. His passive right?

Kind of, yeah. It was like, 90% of his power budget.

Dextix LTMar 11, 20171 votes

And now its like 95% percent of his power budged while also being incredibly hard to achieve.

Dextix LTMar 10, 20175 votes

Question, why not simply delay the gutting to the next patch where they could buff him at the same time?

What was the rush to get this thing out on this current patch instead of later?

Also, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!

Alex h8721Mar 10, 20174 votes

Seriously though, over half the damn threads on the front page are about aatrox, chill. The number of aatrox threads is too damn high.

Faceroll TacticsMar 10, 20173 votes

I think it's better than the constant mordekaiser threads for a year and a half

Sraeg2013Mar 10, 20172 votes

Or similar threads about Cassiopeia for about as long.

Rockm SockmMar 10, 20174 votes

Psa- false promises for three years mean jack shit.

Psa- four second windows of power don't work on melee.

There is nothing they can do with the direction they went.

Nothing short of a Gnar bar will male a window of power viable on a melee.

Ungrateful ThugMar 11, 20176 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rockm Sockm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oFAoJyop,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2017-03-10T23:59:12.120+0000)

Psa- false promises for three years mean jack shit.

Psa- four second windows of power don't work on melee.

There is nothing they can do with the direction they went.

Nothing short of a Gnar bar will male a window of power viable on a melee.

This. It's not a matter of numbers on his abilities. Aatrox can't do shit as long as his passive remains as it is.

ithazulMar 11, 20173 votes

Riot rarely fixes any champs...they make them over-powered (ban fonder) or nearly useless...and now with gailo rework the champ doesn't even resemble what he was. Riot has followed this pattern for years. Don't matter how much proof the community shows them they never think they are wrong. Hate to sound so negative but that is my experience from the years of playing.

Baron PerenoldeMar 11, 20172 votes

Mordekaiser, Skarner, Cassiopeia and Shen were going to be fixed too. I don't blame Aatrox players for being vocal; if they aren't, Riot will sweep their champion under the rug like they do for all their problems. I would also take anything Meddler says with a grain of salt.

ProfirixMar 11, 20171 votes

Why would they go through the trouble of reworking a champion, only to throw it under a rug? People complained about Morde's rework but I'm not convinced he's bad. I just don't think he fits the meta. Aatrox is in a bit of a different situation; being borderline unplayable in the current state but Riot is addressing it.

Baron PerenoldeMar 11, 20175 votes

Why would they go through the trouble of reworking a champion, only to throw it under a rug?

I don't know. Ask Riot why they did exactly that to those champions I listed.

People complained about Morde's rework

With good reason. He was shoehorned into botlane and given a gimmicky passive, which was praised for who knows what reason.

Aatrox shouldn't have been put into this state to begin with. The PBE feels genuinely useless when feedback is ignored most of the time and changes are pushed through recklessly.

KingnewgameplusMar 12, 20171 votes

The PBE exists so brofresco has somewhere to make content and give riot free PR

FantasySniperMar 11, 20172 votes

Once again Riot ignores the PBE community, pushes a change that nobody wants, say they'll "fix it", and leave it in the dumpster after barely trying and refusing to revert the changes.

Smitty ManjensenMar 11, 20172 votes

I thought the same until I saw how fucking bad they made him, they literally deleted him, he is beyond useless now. How bad of a designer must you be to fuck up that much? This kind of fuckery should get those designer/s fired.