Teemo FINALLY has nerfs on PBE...

Cloud273·Dec 11, 2017·3 votes·2,531 views

The nerfs are almost NOTHING, and I doubt they'll have much of an impact, but still...good riddance.

13 Comments

RiotRiot SotereDec 12, 20172 votes

Base stats tend to be more impactful than they look on first read. He'll also probably get hurt from Sorcery changes more than most, even though he has other options that are quite good for him.

HaIlMonitorDec 12, 20172 votes

Do you think these are more of a placebo affect then actual causation? With the Rengar buff I really dont see how 3 armor made him go from, if I remember right, 47ish to 56% winrate in high elo.

Illâoi Evê SiônDec 12, 20171 votes

They also nerfed Elise, Gragas, and Jarvan, Cinderhulk and Cinderhulk+Gargoyle Stoneplate in that patch. Not sure about the numbers (we could really use a LoL History for studying stuff like this) but that must have all helped him, too.

ChuShoeDec 12, 20171 votes

actually, I'm glad they nerfed gragas.

I was so tired of him being meta.

DracocrashDec 12, 20173 votes

3 armor is huge in the jungle.

It meant rengar was barely able to do his first clear properly, and was unable to follow up a gank after hitting level 3.

This in itself is a huge nerf because early ganks can decide a lane's fate.

Not only this it opened him up to being invaded and made him back more frequently which resulted in lower clear speeds.

RiotRiot SotereDec 13, 20171 votes

I doubt it actually made him move that much. When you get smaller sample sizes (slicing down one region and one MMR group) you sometimes get misleading data.

Our early reports on data showed him barely moving in high elo (+.1%) and moving decently at all elo (+1.5%). The latter would be along the lines of my expectation for this buff on a jungler who is actually being kept down by getting too punished in the jungle.

ChuShoeDec 14, 20171 votes

wait.. so there's math you can do to tell if a base stat change by X amount will affect the winrate by Y amount?

If so, can you do the same with certain items on certain champions?

HópeDec 12, 20171 votes

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Base stats tend to be more impactful than they look on first read. He'll also probably get hurt from Sorcery changes more than most, even though he has other options that are quite good for him.

Any recommendation on items to build against him? If im playing lets say Darius Nasus or Kayle how exactly do you build against Teemo?

Im new to top lane and was just wondering what you think.

ChuShoeDec 12, 20171 votes

item 3194 Is your baby vs teemo. His poison does absolutely nothing to you once you have it, and if you buy a item 3065 on top of that (or, if you want more damage item 3155 is super good) then you're absolutely invincible. Nasus, though, teemo serves as a counter. Same with fiora.

Kayle, I'd reccomend putting your faith in your Q and only using your E to farm. Building item 3001 might be worth looking into.

BoulderoxDec 11, 20171 votes

tank teemo will become more prevalent, just watch...

ChuShoeDec 12, 20171 votes

I mean, teemo sucks if you're not first picking fiora or camille.

Cloud273Dec 12, 20171 votes

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I mean, teemo sucks if you're not first picking fiora or camille.

This is a common misconception. Yes Fiora has a harder time with Teemo since she's mostly auto attack based, but you forget that top lane is for MELEE champions. They all use them to some extent. Bad matchups do not exist for Teemo because of his blind.

ChuShoeDec 12, 20172 votes

Sion Ornn Galio Gragas Ryze Urgot sure he uses auto attacks but if you just back off when he uses his blind, come back with your Q, use your E and beat the crap out of him.