(Steps literally 5 teemos in any direction)
Right this way please. Oh hey look you're still alive, her ult is useless, and once her tentacles stop flopping around, we can just go in and nuke her.
I swear to god 90% of illaoi's power rests in the fact that people just stand in her ultimate picking their asses and then smelling their fingers, just getting thwomped in the back of the head by tentacles like "Why is my health bar going away, so weird"
DOUBLE TAPPED E13 votesAHHH MY SCREEN IS ALL GREEN AND WEIRD! I'M JUST GONNA RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES UNTIL IT STOPS! [sg-ahri-1]
Jamaree9 votes[{quoted}](name=Will of Noxus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-16T23:32:58.611+0000)
AHHH MY SCREEN IS ALL GREEN AND WEIRD! I'M JUST GONNA RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES UNTIL IT STOPS! [sg-ahri-1]
The reality of this hurts so fucking much. The amount of people I have seen die from not walking away from Illaoi is too fucking high.
preternatural10 voteshuh? who the fuck get's time to move out the way? what type of entry level illaoi's are these? it's R -> W -> dead yes i started running when she did her big leap animation after missing her E on me. yes i killed her tantacles they literally came back instantly. well so much for that, i forgot about keeping an internal clock on her tantacle spawn rate, it's fucking juggernaut yasuo but no one's gonna be honest about it so whatever let's pretend she's tahm kench for a few months before she actually starts upsetting people because there's too much other new shit to ban.
Jamaree4 voteshuh? who the fuck get's time to move out the way? what type of entry level illaoi's are these? it's R -> W -> dead yes i started running when she did her big leap animation after missing her E on me. yes i killed her tantacles they literally came back instantly. well so much for that, i forgot about keeping an internal clock on her tantacle spawn rate, it's fucking juggernaut yasuo but no one's gonna be honest about it so whatever let's pretend she's tahm kench for a few months before she actually starts upsetting people because there's too much other new shit to ban.
Well, not engaging on her in the first place, if she solo ultis your soul, then she literally does no damage.
You literally just walk away from her, she can’t do anything to stop you either.
preternatural6 votesWell, not engaging on her in the first place, if she solo ultis your soul, then she literally does no damage.
You literally just walk away from her, she can’t do anything to stop you either.
oh, so i must literally not interact with the champion. so i don't get to play the game. OK GREAT DESIGN
Jamaree5 votesoh, so i must literally not interact with the champion. so i don't get to play the game. OK GREAT DESIGN
Or you can dodge her e, then her ulti interaction does no damage. Telling you right now, if you dodge Illaoi’s e and/or she doesn’t have other tentacles up, she doesn’t get to do damage.
preternatural1 votesOr you can dodge her e, then her ulti interaction does no damage. Telling you right now, if you dodge Illaoi’s e and/or she doesn’t have other tentacles up, she doesn’t get to do damage.
did you not read bro? i dodged her E ya'll think this is being made up, oh you just wait for that shit to get popular, you gonna see stars bro. if she landed her E she would just kill the ghost, and then R, it's literally undodgeable but let's not talk about that at all, nope, no need to do that, illaoi jus gon walk pas the minions and throw the hentai at you.
Jamaree3 votesdid you not read bro? i dodged her E
Then literally just walk away, unless she is fed, an Illaoi isn’t going to kill you with just ulti and W.
ya'll think this is being made up, oh you just wait for that shit to get popular, you gonna see stars bro.
Never gonna happen, unless they change her kit and actually give her tools to engage and stay engaged, a slow non mobile gimmicky jugg isn’t going to get popular.
preternatural2 votesThen literally just walk away, unless she is fed, an Illaoi isn’t going to kill you with just ulti and W.
Never gonna happen, unless they change her kit and actually give her tools to engage and stay engaged, a slow non mobile gimmicky jugg isn’t going to get popular.
bro, this dude thinks illaoi don't be like that. oh you gon learn bro. when them tentacles smash down on you so fast your character didn't have the move speed for it. you gon learn son. if your fix is that i must not interact with her then a bad design. just put pre-rework nunu there and you get the same thing, something you must not interact with in lane. great design. keep on keeping on.
Jamaree2 votesbro, this dude thinks illaoi don't be like that. oh you gon learn bro. when them tentacles smash down on you so fast your character didn't have the move speed for it.
Except it isn’t fast, it’s actually pretty slow, you can orbwalk around her slaps leaving her frozen in place while she does it.
you gon learn son. if your fix is that i must not interact with her then a bad design.
You can interact with her, you just don’t know how to apparently.
How to beat Illaoi 101:
Dodge her e, if you dodge it she can’t do damage, unless an Illaoi is fed, she both doesn’t have the movement speed, the chasing ability, or the engage to chase down people. Her Q is slow and easy to dodge and if she uses it while chasing, you can continue to just walk away.
Orbwalking, her Q is slow, and if you know what you are doing, she plants herself in place long enough to get free harass on her.
Clear her tentacles, as melee, a bit harder then if ranged, but if you clear her tentacles she also doesn’t do damage, her base kit doesn’t have enough damage to pop a soul without having a tentacle nearby.
Even if she grabs your soul, if you are a jugg yourself, walk on her, she is actually the lowest sustain damage jugg, so if you walk towards her she has a couple of options, forced to use ulti which in turns means you literally just walk away, or run because all juggs outdamage her early.
Then and only then if all else fails, you once again, just walk away and she can’t do anything.
Sillae1 votesdid you not read bro? i dodged her E ya'll think this is being made up, oh you just wait for that shit to get popular, you gonna see stars bro. if she landed her E she would just kill the ghost, and then R, it's literally undodgeable but let's not talk about that at all, nope, no need to do that, illaoi jus gon walk pas the minions and throw the hentai at you.
-> literally undodgeable
ok
preternatural1 votes-> literally undodgeable
ok
downvoted Bro. you don't even know how illaoi works.
Sillae1 votesdownvoted Bro. you don't even know how illaoi works.
Great argument.
Expecially since you can certainly dodge her Q, E, and R. You know, when she says "MOVE!" and you sit there like a dumbass standing still auto attacking?
preternatural1 votesGreat argument.
Expecially since you can certainly dodge her Q, E, and R. You know, when she says "MOVE!" and you sit there like a dumbass standing still auto attacking?
you know it's funny my very first scenario itt includes dodging her E, but only dumbasses don't read the thread before posting. allow us to evacuate the area in the 1 second of animation between her R and W, very clever.
Sillae1 votesyou know it's funny my very first scenario itt includes dodging her E, but only dumbasses don't read the thread before posting. allow us to evacuate the area in the 1 second of animation between her R and W, very clever.
I'm sorry, did I say I didn't read your first post? No?
Maybe, perhaps, I was listing all parts of her kits that could be evaded. It might be shocking to you, but I believe that's what happened.
And yes, you should evacuate, and if you do she will at most get one w on you, and if you were fast enough you should be able to move out of the way of the tentacles. Flash if you god damn have to, but you shouldn't need to.
Syndra's ball->stun->ult is much faster and easier to pull off, Darius can pull you in and dunk you, Garen silences on you then spins to win, but you complain about the very rare champ that relies not on CC locking but on the opponent not making an effort to dodge (i.e. stop moving in a straight line).
Maybe you should consider a very effective form of fighting that works on any champ without strong cc or large gapclosers. Kiting! Or crowd control! Both are going to make her unable to reach you (without flashing for it).
Minimac20001 votesGreat argument.
Expecially since you can certainly dodge her Q, E, and R. You know, when she says "MOVE!" and you sit there like a dumbass standing still auto attacking?
Minion block is hell, lol If you try and CS in your own minions she is gonna have a field day (I play illaoi)
Sillae1 votesMinion block is hell, lol If you try and CS in your own minions she is gonna have a field day (I play illaoi)
Is that different from any other champ though?
You can kite around your own minions. Illaoi was pretty much the only top laner I'd play, and when they would just go the opposite way I went in their minion wave so I couldn't e, it was annoying as hell.
Her Q will hit the whole wave but it does have a mediocre windup and roots her. Late game it's gonna kill the whole backline of the wave though which, as an old Illaoi player, I think is hilarious but I get why some people with slower waveclear get mad.
Minimac20001 votesIs that different from any other champ though?
You can kite around your own minions. Illaoi was pretty much the only top laner I'd play, and when they would just go the opposite way I went in their minion wave so I couldn't e, it was annoying as hell.
Her Q will hit the whole wave but it does have a mediocre windup and roots her. Late game it's gonna kill the whole backline of the wave though which, as an old Illaoi player, I think is hilarious but I get why some people with slower waveclear get mad.
Ye, it is really funny. I often ping my friend who is an adc in call with me onto a monster wave and then take like 12 minions with one q. Worth it every time
General Esdeath 1 votesWell, not engaging on her in the first place, if she solo ultis your soul, then she literally does no damage.
You literally just walk away from her, she can’t do anything to stop you either.
but if she kills it you're slowed and she strolls up to you and smacks you
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-07-17T04:12:55.798+0000)
but if she kills it you're slowed and she strolls up to you and smacks you
Too bad her slow is only 1.5 seconds and if she spends time hitting your clone, you can make more then enough distance to continue to walk away.
General Esdeath 1 votesToo bad her slow is only 1.5 seconds and if she spends time hitting your clone, you can make more then enough distance to continue to walk away.
You say that, but if she chases you and you leave the zone, same thing happens but she's closer.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T19:18:10.451+0000)
You say that, but if she chases you and you leave the zone, same thing happens but she's closer.
Then she won’t have enough damage to kill you, unless she is hitting you and your ghost at the same time or she is fed, her damage is pretty meph tbh
General Esdeath 1 votesThen she won’t have enough damage to kill you, unless she is hitting you and your ghost at the same time or she is fed, her damage is pretty meph tbh
She doesn't have to hit the ghost, just chase me to the edge and force me to take the slow, and you can have more than 1 item on a champ.
Minimac20002 voteshuh? who the fuck get's time to move out the way? what type of entry level illaoi's are these? it's R -> W -> dead yes i started running when she did her big leap animation after missing her E on me. yes i killed her tantacles they literally came back instantly. well so much for that, i forgot about keeping an internal clock on her tantacle spawn rate, it's fucking juggernaut yasuo but no one's gonna be honest about it so whatever let's pretend she's tahm kench for a few months before she actually starts upsetting people because there's too much other new shit to ban.
If you lost to an illaoi who missed her e.... Either 1.she was fed as hell and it was 25 minutes (peak of her power) 2. You fought somewhere she was writhin smacking distance of 2 pre existing tentacles and didn't dodge any of them and she was fed as hell 3. You are bad and she was fed as hell
Illaoi loses almost every fight where she misses e in an all in. It is actually that critical. Hitting it can mean you can kill an opponent with 5 more kills than you but missing it means you can lose to a laner 2 levels below you. It is that big of a difference
Generally you also have exactly 2 seconds to get out of range to not be one shot. Her first e r and then w yes, will in fact delete half of your hp if you get hit with your spirit but her w cd is permanently 2s in ult and she needs to get the 2nd w off to kill most champs
MrDrBudd1 voteshuh? who the fuck get's time to move out the way? what type of entry level illaoi's are these? it's R -> W -> dead yes i started running when she did her big leap animation after missing her E on me. yes i killed her tantacles they literally came back instantly. well so much for that, i forgot about keeping an internal clock on her tantacle spawn rate, it's fucking juggernaut yasuo but no one's gonna be honest about it so whatever let's pretend she's tahm kench for a few months before she actually starts upsetting people because there's too much other new shit to ban.
If you still died after she missed her E then you must have played terribly.
AlterMordred10 votesWhat the fuck is this meme that illaoi is a bad champion where does it come from?
Handy Sandy 3 votesBecause on paper she's one of the easiest bruisers to deal with. Her power comes from you outplaying yourself by getting impatient and engaging onto her.
TwitchInMyPants1 votesWhat the fuck is this meme that illaoi is a bad champion where does it come from?
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact she's an all damage melee champion with no control other than a situational slow that requires you to be a mile away from her or for you to sit there and watch your ghost die. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact she's a pubstomper who at best has 51-52% in solo q while being completely unviable in organized play. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact she's easily countered by range given her very limited toolset and good positioning won't get you rekt.
Frankly I wouldn't even call her weak, she's got a niche as an all-in lane bully. But calling her any kind of OP is like calling Garen or Darius OP.
AlterMordred3 votesPerhaps it has something to do with the fact she's an all damage melee champion with no control other than a situational slow that requires you to be a mile away from her or for you to sit there and watch your ghost die. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact she's a pubstomper who at best has 51-52% in solo q while being completely unviable in organized play. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact she's easily countered by range given her very limited toolset and good positioning won't get you rekt.
Frankly I wouldn't even call her weak, she's got a niche as an all-in lane bully. But calling her any kind of OP is like calling Garen or Darius OP.
Shes not bad or good, shes literally as average as a champion pick can get, her only problem is that her design is garbage, if she hits E she insta wins the fight, if she misses/you dodge she insta loses
Moody P5 votesif you land your skills you win the fight? That's horrible
Velzard of Koz1 votesOne skill is the problem.
Moody P2 votesliterally any mage landing their CC spell turns it into a kill and if they miss they'll get their head stuffed in by zed
this is not remotely different
Velzard of Koz1 votesAnd I personally dislike that about Mages too - this is on my personal list of fundamental flaws of the game that either majority of people got used to or they don't have good enough alternative, so I don't complain about them all night and day long, but acknowledge them.
I do, however, agree that If we come into terms that that's just how it must work, Illaoi is no different. Just you made it sound as If AlterMorded complained about her hitting her skills, while he complained specifically about the entire fight decided by single skill. It's possible to consider something a flaw even If it's shared among many characters/runes/items.
RavenMagus1 votesThat really isn't just mages, it's just the game in general. It happens botlane too - you get hit with 1 cc, you die instantly.
AlterMordred1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=000a000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T11:22:09.333+0000)
if you land your skills you win the fight? That's horrible
If I miss my Q as Mordekaiser I dont insta lose the fight but my damage output is severely reduced for the next couple of seconds (the cooldown), whereas if Illaoi misses her E which has a hefty cooldown she just loses the fight, her Q deals average damage and her W is an auto reset, its literally all centered around her E
Summoner SpeII5 votesthis is why illaoi is never played in korea also minions block her e making her entirely useless
preternatural4 votes[{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-16T23:59:09.168+0000)
this is why illaoi is never played in korea also minions block her e making her entirely useless
there's a challenger illaoi one trick in korea with a 70% win rate. so really if we go korea someone has sincerely broken her there.
Summoner SpeII3 votesi mean illaoi is almost never played in pro scene, challenger solo queue is completely different from 0 ping LOL pro tournaments
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-07-17T00:09:20.259+0000)
i mean illaoi is almost never played in pro scene, challenger solo queue is completely different from 0 ping LOL pro tournaments
Has Illaoi ever seen pro play? I honestly can’t remember, maybe semi pro?
Summoner SpeII2 votesthere are a few odd games, but they are very rare and none this year
preternatural2 votes[{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oEd7IuXT,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-07-17T00:09:20.259+0000)
i mean illaoi is almost never played in pro scene, challenger solo queue is completely different from 0 ping LOL pro tournaments
soloq is not the pro scene, so i don't know where the fuck ya'll get off with that shit. that aside here, lck 2018, illaoi in teh korean pro scene, she win's the game by going 0/1/0 and being uninteractable. her opposite does double her dmg but it doesn't matter because you can't push illaoi out of lane. this holds true today she just has more dmg that can't be itemised for. slowly bubbling away underneath, strong as sin with the community denying it. tahm is about to get nerfed out the meta allegedly, morde will be rebalanced, don't be surprised when illaoi is not fun to play against.
Handy Sandy 4 votesthere's a korean challenger one trick for pretty much everything though.
preternatural1 votesthere's a korean challenger one trick for pretty much everything though.
then why do people mention her koraen win rate and then insist that the only challenger illaoi having a 70% win rate doesn't matter? oh i guess challengers just want to play the damn game too but illaoi doesn't let you do that, jee must suck.
Handy Sandy 1 votesthen why do people mention her koraen win rate
Idk, the winrate of 1 person is irrelevant.
then insist that the only challenger illaoi having a 70% win rate doesn't matter?
these are 2 opposite points coming from 2 different sides
oh i guess challengers just want to play the damn game too but illaoi doesn't let you do that
If you're asking why someone can be successful with Illaoi at that high of a level, it's because of a unique playstyle that sets them apart from all the other Illaoi onetricks.
preternatural5 votesi'm bookmarking this one boys. if any of ya'll complain about illaoi's balance being out of whack, i'ma call you out. "just walk away bro" ok tell me about that strat when the illaoi's are practiced. "just dodge the tentacles bro" ok, we gon see if you can dodge them when the illaoi mains pop up.
BLAMESUPP1 votesThe ye olde "just dodge it" argument. Im pretty sure the people who drop this line main'd 
when her spears could deal 500~600 base damage(max range), scaled up to 150%~of ap(max range) and were twice as wide...
Mavëríck4 votesWe just going to ignore the fact her buddies 
keeping them enemies nice and stationary? k...
Jamaree6 votesWe just going to ignore the fact her buddies
I mean by that logic, no champion has weaknesses because other champions make up for it.
Adcs don’t have weaknesses because support can protect them negating their weaknesses.
Junglers don’t have weaknesses because their allies can just pick up their slack.
Top laners don’t have weaknesses because junglers can just win their lane no matter what and ward for them.
TakaDama4 votesStarted getting decent with Illaoi lately, and I will say that yeah; her kill potential is pretty much tied to ulting in the middle of multiple champions/souls and no one bothers to CC her.
However, while she can kill, she's ultimately better at farming and pushing; even had a normal where I pushed top to inhib turret, warded, backed, then tp'd back and broke the top inhibitor, allowing winions to claim the topmost nexus turret.
She's also not bad for helping the jungler out; because of all of the walls in the jungle, I can get two to three tentacles to hit anything aside from Scuttler fairly easily. A hard leash with her just requires setup and starting with W instead of Q.
But yeah; before I keep going on this tangent, just going to reiterate that Illaoi's threat zone is more powerful than her actual kill potential.
NelsieLisnen3 votesThis champ's worth is all funneled in her E ability. That's some Rito balancing right there.
