Spear of Shojin

Boo Koo God·May 7, 2019·35 votes·12,818 views

Can it be gone yet. It just allows for champs that build it to be able to stat check. Im sick and tired of perma shielded rivens and infinite counter strikes from jax. It turns them into urf champions

24 Comments

Inkling CommandoMay 7, 20195 votes

without even reading i knew this would be a topic crying about how broken it is and wanting it removed.

BeatzBoyFTWMay 7, 20193 votes

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without even reading i knew this would be a topic crying about how broken it is and wanting it removed.

But it still is up til now. Abilities on cooldown is meant to be a handicap/risk for those who believed they can all-in.

iwanttobebronze5May 7, 20192 votes

Riven will be nerfed next patch so problem is solved I guess.

IainG10May 8, 20191 votes

Thinking like that is what leads to Phantom Hit being kept in; if an item is a problem, nerf the item, not its' abusers (provided that no one else is building it, which ofc is true for both Rageblade and Spear).

MessyStuffMay 9, 20191 votes

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which ofc is true for both Rageblade and Spear).

Since when is no one except for Vayne(which I'm assuming you are crying about) using it. How about Varus, Kog'Maw, Kaisa, Kayle, and pretty much any on-hit build ever?

IainG10May 9, 20191 votes

Actually I disagree with all of them (not that they're doing it, because they are, but with the ability to do it full stop). When those champions were created, the number of hits required to procc an effect was set at a balanced level (for some like Varus and Kog, the level is 1). Most of those have their own scaling boost, be it AP or AD, so every Phantom Hit effectively doubles that boost; Phantom Hit is effectively the Deathfire Grasp for On-Hits, and DFG was removed for being a stat-stick (albeit with a toxic extra stat-check active ability). The only On-Hits I can think of that don't deal damage themselves are Yi and Vayne; Yi gets an extra auto, so that's a 1-to-1 AD scaling, and Vayne gets faster access to %Max HP True Damage, which flat out should not exist at all, let alone be faster to achieve....

TL;DR I think Phantom Hit breaks all On-Hits and want it removed

Slim GragasMay 8, 20192 votes

Its just another niche item that makes few champions more broken than they already are like Riven and Jax. I'm sure Wit's End will find it's same niche now with similar bruisers. Just one of the many terrible design choices of the balance team like giving tanks more damage and calling it balance.

bluefire mark 2May 7, 20191 votes

I know, such an overpowered item that almost nobody builds and those who want to build it don't really want to for the wasted stats! It's almost as if the item isn't actually a problem! Oh wait... its not! On certain champs it can be annoying yeah, but the item itself is garbage. Terrible stats, and the cd does not work on it at all since you almost always but it on 30-40% cdr builds for champs, such as bc or tri with dd spirit for one example.

The thigh guyMay 7, 20196 votes

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I know, such an overpowered item that almost nobody builds and those who want to build it don't really want to for the wasted stats! It's almost as if the item isn't actually a problem! Oh wait... its not! On certain champs it can be annoying yeah, but the item itself is garbage. Terrible stats, and the cd does not work on it at all since you almost always but it on 30-40% cdr builds for champs, such as bc or tri with dd spirit for one example.

So perma stealth Vayne is fine with you?

bluefire mark 2May 7, 20198 votes

Yes, because i have never, NEVER seen a vayne build it. Why? Why the hell build it when you can go her main build, stay perm stealth and do it anyway? You realize her q has almost no cd already and spear is percentage, meaning it doesn't do enough to make much of a difference already.

The thigh guyMay 7, 20193 votes

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Yes, because i have never, NEVER seen a vayne build it. Why? Why the hell build it when you can go her main build, stay perm stealth and do it anyway? You realize her q has almost no cd already and spear is percentage, meaning it doesn't do enough to make much of a difference already.

Point proven. Vayne spamming perma stealth and riven being perma shielded are practically the same level of broken. So, if you’re okay with riven being as broken god tier as she is you should be fine with Vayne right?

bluefire mark 2May 7, 20193 votes

Again, riven doesn't build it like ever. She goes deaths dance black clever, which gives her plenty of shielding already and makes spear stats terrible, then, there's the fact she doesn't auto attack enough to get perfect value off it. There's many better items to buy. And I'm not fine with vayne. I think her w needs a % nerf and she'd be fine. Riven? Nothing. Just conquered removed from the game or changed again. I've never lost to a riven in recent matches actually.

The thigh guyMay 7, 20194 votes

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Again, riven doesn't build it like ever. She goes deaths dance black clever, which gives her plenty of shielding already and makes spear stats terrible, then, there's the fact she doesn't auto attack enough to get perfect value off it. There's many better items to buy. And I'm not fine with vayne. I think her w needs a % nerf and she'd be fine. Riven? Nothing. Just conquered removed from the game or changed again. I've never lost to a riven in recent matches actually.

Highest win% build consists os sos, bc into steraks soooooo.

Boo Koo GodMay 7, 20193 votes

The facts are in and The thigh guy is laying them down.

Moody PMay 7, 20194 votes

Then there's no problem removing it since it's useless anyway

hewhodoesnotcareMay 7, 20191 votes

remember u guys balance team cant balance they will leave it up and nerf everything around it. "vayne" "riven"

AS I LAY FEEDINGMay 8, 20191 votes

The fact is that its better to go steraks second because jax and renekton will just blow up anyway.

U R Good At GameMay 8, 20191 votes

Or.....hear me out....since everyone only complains about the same two champions we can nerf those 2 champions 0.0 amazing

MessyStuffMay 9, 20191 votes

Eh they will just complain about other champs then or just go back to complaining about Yasuo.

Thaumaturge VoidMay 8, 20191 votes

RekSai

FederationFurryMay 8, 20191 votes

item 3147 still exists and Riot does nothing about that so I wouldn't bank on it. AD must have better items... its the only way Riot makes money now... Its easier to overpower the champions that are played most in order to sell skins.