what can I do if Riven gets ahead in lane?

Big Lincoln·Mar 30, 2015·26 votes·4,071 views

Besides assume the fetal position and cry.

81 Comments

WheatloafMar 30, 201543 votes

If the rest of your team is ahead, fuck your KDA, don't let that bitch leave your lane. If your team isn't ahead, let the whore splitpush, and make something happen somewhere she isn't. If she disappears from top lane for an instant I want you vomiting pings all over your team telling them to stick their tails between their legs and piss off. And if you get the opportunity to gang bang that slut, fucking go for it. Show her soloqueue heroes don't exist.

If you can consistently manage this, congrats, you're in the LCS now.

Only Play DariusMar 31, 20153 votes

Tryndamere Fiora MasterYi Darius Nasus Yasuo Vayne

SoloQ heroes do exist, and thank god for their existence. I'm sorry if I don't have blind faith in my teammates, but splitpushing has allowed me to secure victory many times. You can help and support your teammates in everyway short of actually playing the game for them, but if they lack skill or motivation to work together, then that's too bad, it's gg for you.

You can bring a horse water, but you can't make him drink.

So instead, you might as well leave the horse to die if he won't cooperate, and just buy a car instead so you can get to your destination (victory) without having to rely on anyone but yourself.

WheatloafMar 31, 20151 votes

Personally, I find it a waste to default to a strategy like splitpushing in a team game. Don't get me wrong, it has its time and place, but it shouldn't be your go-to course of action.

Back on topic with the original thread, if you attempt to split against a fed Riven, you're going to have a bad time.

Leti the YetiMar 30, 201525 votes

does she instaburst you despite the tower being there? yah, she kinda does that if you let her get a 10 AD lead on you if so, resume fetal position

Very Hard EngageMar 30, 201519 votes

build immediate armor like a chainvest or glacial shroud, give up farm and towerfarm instead, wait for your midlaner/jungler to roam top and get some cc on her.

WullfMar 30, 201560 votes

wait for your midlaner/jungler to roam top and get some cc on her.

ok http://media.tumblr.com/4cbad663d6d0b6604f507e9ce8d588a0/tumblr_inline_n7k2gkUFii1rxcfdb.jpg

Tin TarantinoMar 31, 20151 votes

Rammus Ok

AlljoyMar 30, 201519 votes

Lube yourself up for the eventual shafting your team is going to give you when she starts roaming and they realize she's ahead.

KING OF MASKSMar 30, 201513 votes

Build a time machine, travel back to champion select, and lock in Garen .

Rinky DinkyMar 30, 20152 votes

Yes

PalPlaysMar 30, 20153 votes

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Build a time machine, travel back to champion select, and lock in .

How about Swain ?

Major SparklesMar 30, 20152 votes

No swain gets dumped on by riven.

Sir YamazukiMar 31, 20153 votes

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Build a time machine, travel back to champion select, and lock in .

Garen doesn't beat Riven. Not sure why people assume having a silence automatically means you beat Riven. Yes, he easily beats bad Rivens (he beats bad anythings anyways), but of equal skill the Riven ends up winning.

KING OF MASKSMar 31, 20154 votes

This is very, very wrong. It's not just the silence; nearly every single aspect of Garen puts Riven in the dumpster, with the possible exception of his ult (which is just an objectively weaker version of Riven's).

Passive - Probably the best health regen in the game right here, in contrast to Riven's complete lack of sustain (until she starts getting some decent lifesteal; and even then, if you're doing very well, you're going to be able to zone her easily, negating her ability to lifesteal off minions). Q - The movement speed boost isn't going to match Riven's hypermobility, but it does give you a decent shot at catching her compared to most champions. And of course, the silence makes Riven effectively inoperable for a short while; something not to be underestimated. It's not an auto-win, but it's very powerful. W - Appropriately timed you can easily and reliably negate a good portion of Riven's damage, which is her only advantage against you. This also ties into a larger point that (at least in my opinion) is the crux of why Garen shits all over Riven: a Garen laning against a Riven can start stacking armor straight away while still managing to dish out considerable damage, just from runes/masteries; more than enough, in fact, to annihilate a Riven, sometimes even from 100-0 (if you have Ignite, anyway). So while she's stuck rushing her AD items, you're busy getting Sunfire and Ninja Tabi. You negate her damage while she takes the full force of yours (intelligent shield usage notwithstanding). E - Tons of damage, nothing much to say here. R - Its only advantage over Riven's R is that it's point-and-click; Riven's ult, while it does give her a steroid on the side, can be dodged.

If the two are of equal skill, Garen will win. Of course, there are always players better than you, and a masterful Riven can run circles around Garen using superior mechanics (using the stun for hit and run attacks can become extremely oppressive if done correctly). There are a number of times where I've gotten my ass handed to me by Diamond and above Rivens; but, they were not matchups of equal skill.

Sir YamazukiMar 31, 20152 votes

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This is very, very wrong. It's not just the silence; nearly every single aspect of Garen puts Riven in the dumpster, with the possible exception of his ult (which is just an objectively weaker version of Riven's). Let's review.

Passive - Probably the best health regen in the game right here, in contrast to Riven's complete lack of sustain (until she starts getting some decent lifesteal; and even then, if you're doing very well, you're going to be able to zone her easily, negating her ability to lifesteal off minions). Q - The movement speed boost isn't going to match Riven's hypermobility, but it does give you a decent shot at catching her compared to most champions. And of course, the silence makes Riven effectively inoperable for a short while; something not to be underestimated. It's not an auto-win, but it's very powerful. W - Appropriately timed you can easily and reliably negate a good portion of Riven's damage, which is her only advantage against you. This also ties into a larger point that (at least in my opinion) is the crux of why Garen shits all over Riven: a Garen laning against a Riven can start stacking armor straight away while still managing to dish out considerable damage, just from runes/masteries; more than enough, in fact, to annihilate a Riven, sometimes even from 100-0 (if you have Ignite, anyway). So while she's stuck rushing her AD items, you're busy getting Sunfire and Ninja Tabi. You negate her damage while she takes the full force of yours (intelligent shield usage notwithstanding). E - Tons of damage, nothing much to say here; Q's silence forces Riven to sit in it for a short while, and normally that's enough to win a trade. R - Its only advantage over Riven's R is that it's point-and-click; Riven's ult, while it does give her a steroid on the side, can be dodged if you're on point enough/have Flash available.

If the two are of equal skill, Garen will win. Of course, there are always players better than you, and a Riven master can run circles around Garen using superior mechanics (using the stun for hit and run attacks can become extremely oppressive if done correctly). There are a number of times where I've gotten my ass handed to me by Diamond and above Rivens; but, they were not matchups of equal skill.

It's already been long proven Riven wins on equal skill, Riven's win rate vs Garen is even 54%+, but please do go on about how Garen is a counter to Riven when he loses more games against her than he wins.

The fact you think his passive is good vs a champion that can keep it off just shows you don't really know anything about Garen and is assuming the person playing her is a brain dead Riven. During lane phase no competent Riven is going to allow a Garen to just walk up to them with Q and stand in his E, she has CC and a dash she can use while being silenced and not even stay in range of his spin.

KING OF MASKSMar 31, 20153 votes

I personally don't put a lot of stock in champion win rates; 54% is hardly out of the ordinary. If it was closer to 60% then maybe I'd concede the point, but no. I would hardly call that hard proof.

The fact that you think a halfway decent Garen would allow the enemy Riven to keep his passive disabled 100% of the time just shows you don't really know anything about Garen and are assuming the person playing him is brain-dead. Keep up the ad homs though.

Ninja edits. Likewise, no competent Garen is just going to walk up and Q and E a Riven when she has all her cooldowns available. Who's making assumptions about players being brain-dead, again? And what game are you playing where Riven is able to cast her stun/dashes while silenced?

Incidentally, you don't need to quote my entire post... it just pads out your response and creates a needlessly long comment chain.

Sir YamazukiMar 31, 20151 votes

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I personally don't put a lot of stock in champion win rates; 54% is hardly out of the ordinary. If it was closer to 60% then maybe I'd concede the point, but no. I would hardly call that hard proof.

The fact that you think a halfway decent Garen would allow the enemy Riven to keep his passive disabled 100% of the time just shows you don't really know anything about Garen and are assuming the person playing him is brain-dead. Keep up the ad homs though.

Incidentally, you don't need to quote my entire post... it just pads out your response and creates a needlessly long comment chain.

54% against a champion that "counters" her is high, it's proof he doesn't counter her. A Garen has no choice in whether his passive is up or not, he doesn't decide when he takes damage or not, that is 100% on his opponent and not the person playing Garen. If he doesn't want to get hit and regen, he's forced to stay away, and he's melee, she's melee, so staying away means giving up farm, giving up farm means getting no gold.

If you wanted to bring up champions that actually beat Riven, should mention Quinn or Nasus, not Garen.

What ad homs are you referring to? I never attacked your character nor mentioned you specifically other than stating you didn't know what you were talking about because you're spreading false information, and even brought forth evidence that he doesn't win against her. If you're going to take my posts as insults, then I am not going to waste my time discussing anything with you since you're following the "you disagree with me so you're trolling" attitude.

For reference on champions who she beats/loses to: http://champion.gg/champion/Riven

KING OF MASKSMar 31, 20151 votes

With regard to winrate I simply disagree; I trust my own experience and the actual mechanics of the two champions more than a statistic.

Frankly, saying that Garen has zero influence on whether or not his passive is up is absurd. Yes, the most extreme solution is to simply hide well behind a minion wave. But realistically a Riven is not going to just jump on you every time she can in order to negate your passive, since you can easily punish her every single time she attempts it (e.g. Broken Wings cooldown: 13 seconds, Decisive Strike cooldown: 8 seconds).

Granted, there are certainly many more champions that can shut down Riven far more effectively/reliably... but in my opinion none of them are quite as fun. I certainly never meant to imply that Garen was Riven's hardest counter, or anything of that nature.

GloriousKaiserMar 31, 20151 votes

I find that the lane becomes rather stalemated. Not in the sense that nothing happens. But the same thing happens. If Garen acts firsts, Riven will W E away. If Riven acts first, Garen will dumpster. And Riven never acts first, so Garen is sad. Because he depends a lot on cocky players thinking he's easy.

Also, Garen Q is realistically 8+ seconds because it goes on CD after the effect.

Also, Valor 10> seconds, Ki Burst 11> Riven has more general ways to deter a fight if Garen tries something. But that's just me.

SaiannaMar 30, 201512 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZJFCMPeTY

Shows how to dominate Riven!

TransgressorMar 30, 20157 votes

Depending on your matchup.

Hmm. Hopefully this will help:

Sustain Riven has zero sustain after the nerfes unless she buys some in the form of Hydra and Bloodthirster, which she propably will if she's ahead. Untill she does though, you could potentially outsustain her ass off to the point she just gets bored and goes on tilt. Game's also played on a psychological level as well.
Gragas Safe poke, really good tankyness, free sustain, reliable gap close/CC, ball busting ultimate. Force your opressive mass(get it?) on her while she tries to bunny hop combo your face and watch her cry as she waits for cooldowns while eating barrels to the face only to get slammed by your lucious belly again. He's also fun to play :D
Nasus Well, it's Nasus. No matter what Riven does, no matter what happens in lane, the legend of life and death continues, we will Q, they will QQ. She bullies you out of lane? jungle ganks. She overextends trying to deny you cs? Jungle ganks. Freeze under turret, free stacks and lifesteal for ages. She kicks your butt and decides it's a good idea to leave you unatended and roam? Show her what a huge mistake it was by stacking so hard that minions stop spawning, then dunk her for thinking leaving a Nasus alone to cs, teach her it is like volunteering to /ff.
Frozen Heart Simple as that, rushing it already cripples her already misserable attack speed. Rushing it even if she gets ahead means she has to invest into penetration to even try to damage you in teamfights. Since 99% of RIven players(including me) never buy or after getting ahead but instead opt for and and perhaps a .
Malphite He scales and scales and scales. His itemazation is a direct counter to Riven. His kit is a direct counter to Riven. His E cripples her damage and scales with guess what? His amazing itemization(armor in the form of an early Sunfire cape, Frozen Heart and Frozen Mallet, Randuins Omen)! Always reliable damage with his Q that doesn't need to be aimed, slows and steals movement speed, point and click for the win. W gives him extra armor as well as AD. Oh that's cute, she has a , try damaging me with 400 Armor while i've lowered your damage with E and attack speed with . Carefully aiming your R, you can juke her R AoE by ulting behind her and you can actually damage her from the back, while her windslash travels forward in a cone that's really thin at the beggining

There are many other matchups that can make her life misserable simply by existing, but I either don't remember them or won't bother listing them all

Now if your matchup is rough.

Stay positive Riven feeds out of your missery. If you give up and don't bother she'll keep shoving her lead so hard onto your face that you'll scream for mercy. She'll keep shoving. A good Riven player will read you out, and take advantage of your mistakes by judging the way you play around Riven's really telegraphed abilities and reach the conclusion that you've given up. So they'll keep kicking you down.
Itemize Bro, stop buying the same freaking items again and again. Adapt. Just because this build is really effective doesn't mean it will help you lane vs Riven. "but Ironhold, that tripple dorans blade will help me snowball early". Nope, you waste gold on redundant items when you could've bought yourself cloth armor with a quadrillion of pots that are more valuable that those pesky dorans. Because she WILL get her items, she WILL get her sustain. She WILL punish you for every mistake you make.
Change your playstyle Assess what mistakes you made and gave her the advantage. Stop doing them. Try something different, even if it's completely alien to you as a player. There's nothing more satisfactory that watching a Riven strugle between farming a lane you've played passively enough that's frozen at your turret or getting jungle ganked because it takes time to get to 40% cdr :D
Isolate her from teamfights, make her cry, make her useless, make her redundant You shouldn't focus her. Instead you should bully her to the backline or isolate her from her team. Make her go through you and your tanks to go to her team. By that time you've killed everyone that matters. What's she gonna do? Try to kill the scraps? Good luck getting through you to kill the damage dealers!
Teleport Unless you're blind picking normals and run with ignite for the fun of it, ALWAYS take your teleport. She got ahead, but she can't make you fall behind because you have the TP to go back to lane and the oh so lovely XP and minions.

Hope that hellps! Good luck on the rift my friend, cheers!

DarthSpectrumMar 31, 20152 votes

This deserves a lot more upvotes.

One of the reason Riven appears so oppressive is because she scales far better than anyone else with offensive items until the late game. Since most builds recommend players to snatch at least one or two damage items first to be impactful in early team fights, Riven innately has the advantage.

However, her strength comes with the downside of low sustain. If a player builds tank items early on, he or she will be able to out last Riven. In addition, being an AD caster, Riven only has kill potential when she has her abilities up. A champion can easily gain enough health and armor to survive her combo, which will leave her weak to retaliation or a gank from the jungle.

Athenes LuluMar 31, 20152 votes

Time to rush item 3110 on supports next time if I see a Riven. I like your little guide :D

TransgressorMar 31, 20152 votes

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Time to rush on supports next time if I see a Riven. I like your little guide :D

I take item 3110 on supports for granted :P. First item on Thresh even before boots built simoultaneously as my support item, opting for upgraded yellow trinket instead of sightstone. Mana to spam hooks shields and flays, CDR to spam hooks shields and flays even faster and the bautifull passive that will make whoever gets caught in your R cry. In Leona I buy item 3068 first then item 3110 second. It's also a really cool item for Sona too. Extra mana and cdr to spam QWE all day, and helps with her almost non existant survivability. Blitzcrank, Nautilus, Gragas, literally everything on top of your head-even karma-that can support WILL take advantage of an early unless it's Soraka, Bard, Janna and Shen who deviate from the way a standard support works.

People tend to be way too close minded, obsessed with the so called "metagame" and fanboying over the LCS picks, thus forgetting that what mattes is what WE do in OUR games. Good luck out there friend! Cheers.

Folding ChairMar 31, 20154 votes

Browse lolhentai.

Big LincolnMar 31, 20151 votes

I laughed and then spit blood and then I laughed some more

my face hurts now :(

DarthSpectrumMar 30, 20153 votes

Build Armor and try to avoid stepping too far from turret.

Riven is an AD Caster, which means she is dependent on her abilities to do damage. If you can survive her combo or live long enough for you to run away, she cannot quickly follow up with more damage due to CDs. Capitalize on that time with a Jungle gank.

When you begin to lose even slightly against Riven, you should start to rush some defensive items. Riven scales so well with AD that there is no point in competing with her by buying more AD items. However, armor and health can severely hamper her killing potential. You may not be able to kill her, and might get zoned a bit, but it is better than feeding 6+ kills in lane to Riven.

Most AD Casters and Assassins gets out scaled late game. You can stall if you must.

If Riven gets so fed that she can kill you despite you building armor and farming under turret, it is 100% your fault - any champion has the capacity to do that if he or she is fed that much gold.

Lord DusteonMar 30, 20152 votes

Build some armor and just waveclear. Get some wards on river so if she roams mid/jungle know where she is; if she leaves lane push hard and try to take her turret. If mid plays safe, you just got a free wave and turret/some damage on turret and Riven wasted time trying to gank a safe lane.

Aww KatMar 30, 20152 votes

Beg your jungler to camp your lane

YfrappefortMar 30, 201542 votes

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Beg your jungler to camp your lane

Riven Double kill!

junglerboy16Mar 30, 20152 votes

NOT THIS^

SmknWdlMar 30, 20152 votes

Try to stay under tower and wait for jungle to gank... usually works with anyone ahead in lane.

Occams RaiserMar 31, 20152 votes

Your lane is done if she gets more than 1 kill over you. You have been shutdown. Do what you can to stay up beat til mid or late game and ks some kills from somewhere.

RuudiMar 31, 20151 votes

Good sir, you OBVIOUSLY haven't seen the aftermath of her combo... The one SHE has to deal with. :3

GaleWinUnleashedMar 31, 20152 votes

Thank you for asking how to improve rather than demanding Riven nerfs. It's a much better game mentality.

Big LincolnMar 31, 20152 votes

Honestly I don't think I lose to her that often, since I was actually pretty confident in picking Swain into her that game.

But she hit level 2 first and she suddenly hit me like a damn truck, and then killed me at level 3, then level 6 and it just got worse. I was so confused; I must have spent too much time harassing at level one, trying to zone from the get-go

I guess Renekton's going to be my go-to pick against her. Cloth 5 start is pretty nice on him.

RuudiMar 31, 20151 votes

Well...

Heimerdinger Garen + item 3031 + item 3022 + summoner 3 Or about any AP champ with a good build and range.

LankPantsMar 31, 20151 votes

Pretend top lane doesn't exist, roam mid and pray to Faker that your ganks work out and can bring you back into the game. Only return to lane to save towers.

BudupopsMar 31, 20151 votes

leave lane and have your team rage at you

A Miss FortuneMar 31, 20151 votes

AFK

foristMar 31, 20151 votes

My build when riven's ahead of me in lane:

item 3069 - item 3093 - - - -

MinuanoMar 31, 20151 votes

Jax

AltricadMar 31, 20151 votes

And that's why I bought Darius asap

This face Darius

you have a broken sword? That's cute, meet my AXE Darius

The UndineMar 31, 20151 votes

you sit there under tower, and do your prayers that she doesn't put you in the list of things to f@#% up today.

GG BeersMar 31, 20151 votes

watch the LCS see what they do when they get 2v1 top lane.

Mr GodyrMar 31, 20151 votes

Try not to cry

Ironclad DragonMar 31, 20151 votes

https://youtu.be/x012BnKWi3g?t=1m37s

QahnaarinMar 31, 20151 votes

Build armour and wait for her to get cocky and die trying to 1v5 like every riven when ahead.

Fur GodMar 31, 20151 votes

Build defensively and cs when you can in lane. If the minions are pushed go jungle and get crabby. Be present somewhere else. This game attached below I was the opposite, I lost to Fiora as Riven lv 2 when she ran ignite over teleport. I jungled and waited for her to get bored and as she started to roam I followed and counter ganked. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1777512267/35341176?tab=overview