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The current state of Yasuo is simply unacceptable

King of Mongoose··1 votes·555 views

How can Riot let the 2nd most difficult champ be one of the weakest champions in the game? The insane level of skill and mechanics Yasuo demands is too high for such a low reward. Riot stop listening to those who claim Yasuo has a ''toxic design'' and ''overloaded kit'', that's just an excuse people use when they pick xerath into a high skillcap champion. Now people can play riven, rush tabi and death's dance and mash their keyboard and they'll be able to beat a master tier yasuo mains because yasuo doesn't have enough in his kit for what he loses out on

The only way to make him viable again is:

Base stats returned to their old value.

Passive: No longer deals reduced critical damage, shield now lasts for 2 seconds, shield strenght increased to 100-700.

Q: Minimum cooldown reduced to 1 second, damage increased to 50/75/100/125/150 (+120% total AD)

W: Passive returned, cooldown reduced to 22/20/18/16/14.

E: Cooldown reduced to 0.4/0.3/0.2/0.1/0, can now be used on wards and allied units.

R: Damage increased to 250/350/450 (+200% bonus AD), range increased to 2000.

Now people who've spent years on mastering Yasuo can finally play a viable champ again.

16 Comments

AmetDeCrypt2 votes

he's not SUPPOSED to beat people early game, that's been his entire problem for a supposed hypercarry with a decent to good laning phase.

IronwallJackson1 votes

To be fair, while Yasuo scales well into the late game, he isn't a hypercarry. He has damage steroids like one and he shreds through pretty well everyone else (with some exceptions), his winrate is highest in the mid-game, right after he gets his Zeal item+Infinity Edge power spike. Unlike true hypercarries, his crit passive limits how much damage he can do come late game with its overall damage debuff. Furthermore, having to sit at or close to the front line to be useful makes him much less safe than a ranged hypercarry, which contributes to his lower late game win rate, since he tends to be easier to focus down.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

I've seen yasuos crit squishies dead to almost dead, remember he gets more out of items because pure ad items give more ad than crit items.

IronwallJackson1 votes

Yasuo ends up with more AD than normal ranged carries, but they actually crit for their full value. Remember that Yasuo hits for 180% crits, not 200%, and after IE, Yasuo hits for 225% instead of 250%. Not only that, ranged carries build more purely offensive items and attack speed than he does, usually, and they have access to Runaan's to hit multiple targets.

Yasuo has a strong late game, no doubt, but true ranged hypercarries scale better.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

I'm just telling you what I've seen, yasuo critting for 1500-2k and pretty much one shotting everyone lategame. that 50% armor ignore isn't anything to sneeze at and is what makes GP a hypercarry and is what partially makes him a hypercarry. that old crit reduction isn't as hard as you think. Jhin has a full SEVENTY FIVE percent crit effectiveness and he does just fine. granted he has that fourth bullet and more ad but his crits still hurt early game when he has about the same ad as other carries.

IronwallJackson1 votes

There is no reasonable way that Yasuo is critting for 1.5-2k. I ran the numbers, and the maximum damage I could get, level 18 with 3 fire dragon buffs, elder dragon, 3 infinite edges, 3 bloodthirsters, full AD runes/Masteries, and fully stacked fervor, I was still hitting zero-armor targets (minons) for just under 2k. That's the maximum damage you can deal, in the absolute best case scenario. An actually reasonable build, level 18 with Zerker Geaves, PD, IE, Bloodthirster, Guardian Angel, and Frozen Mallet + stacked fervor hit minions for ~900 damage without the 3 dragons+elder, and 1252 with the crazy AD buffs.

An actual champion will usually have around 50 armor, at minimum for very squishy targers, and that already cuts that damage by 33%, and 100-armor targets cut that to 50%. I'm sorry, but barring extraordinary circumstances, Yasuo isn't hitting any champion for anythign close to 1k. Try closer to half of that. As for his armor pen, Yasuo only ignores bonus armor, and unless you're attacking thresh who only has 18 base armor, even the lowest-armor champion in the game has more than 65 armor.

Furthermore, Gangplank ignores 40% total armor with his barrels and can crit through them, which is where his crazy damage comes from. Total armor reduction. Jihn, on the other hand, hits hard because he has like 700 ad at full crit build, sans buffs, and his 4th shot deals %missing health damage as well. That's the important part, by the way, and that's the reason it hurts a lot.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

you forget shiv which can add about 400ish to his damage. although... I don't suppose that's yasuo specific now that his core item is PD now for some reason? I still think yasuo would qualify as a hyper carry with his crazy damage if it weren't for his lack of significant aoe beyond his q and need to get close to do said crazy damage.

but I wasn't lying I have been a caitlyn saw a yasuo out of a bush for a split second and barely got out with my support shielding me, all of my hp bar was gone the instant he hit me and that's a fact.

IronwallJackson1 votes

Shiv is kind of not super fantastic anymore, especially when compared to phantom dancer. Anyway, you probably got hit by more than one attack if the Yasuo made your health bar disappear. Unless your defenses are paper thin and he's way ahead, he still needs at least a few attacks to kill anyone.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

could be. there's also his q that has like a 100 base damage? and can crit, so that adds on another auto.

Wildstyle1 votes

Are you drunk? That shit is broken, he needs a straight rework.

Rewt1 votes

i like how if you look at numbers alone this is off the walls bonkers broken. something like 700 damage on a 1 sec cooldown LUL.

also. Saying that yasuo is the 2nd most difficult champ in the game is just objectively false.

Leblancs Boob1 votes

good joke

invisiblecat11 votes

Surprised this wasn't removed since it isn't under Meme's and Games

King of Mongoose1 votes

ha good one, you probably main support

Colton1471 votes

[{quoted}](name=King of Mongoose,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o3TRLFR8,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-06-30T00:56:00.573+0000)

ha good one, you probably main support

Support mains know things as much as others...

I'd refrain from harassing real support mains, such as myself.

Calabok1 votes

Original Poster is on drugs

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