give caitlyn's traps the azir treatment

King of Mongoose·Feb 1, 2017·264 votes·6,627 views

make them decay super fast under enemy towers

thanks, i don't really like to play the maze while im csing and taking poke from 700 range autos

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SpoofghoulFeb 1, 201721 votes

good idea

if Caitlyn places a trap under your tower she disappears after 4 seconds

Sp33d Zer0Feb 1, 201710 votes

As opposed to now, where if she places a trap under you, you disappear after 4 seconds.

Supreme Senpai69Feb 2, 20177 votes

4 seconds? Damn, teach me your tricks. I step on a trap I can't see because my minions is on top of it, then die in 2 seconds to the 4 man bot lol

hunterspecFeb 1, 201717 votes

Sivir gg ez

Rax ReformedFeb 1, 20173 votes

If only she were even a somewhat useful AD. Sivir is by far the worst AD in the game. I'd rather play Thresh ADC.

hunterspecFeb 1, 20177 votes

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If only she were even a somewhat useful AD. Sivir is by far the worst AD in the game. I'd rather play Thresh ADC.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=ADC

Cosmic WarperFeb 1, 20172 votes

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If only she were even a somewhat useful AD. Sivir is by far the worst AD in the game. I'd rather play Thresh ADC.

tristana and kalista are worse

SpoofghoulFeb 2, 20172 votes

I would argue that karthus adc is even worse

HammermancerFeb 2, 20171 votes

Galio item 3156 item 3139 item 3814 item 3111 ?

13900 EssenceFeb 2, 20173 votes

I've been playing kalista when I get adc, people forget how much damage rend does so I just usually trash lane.

xelakerFeb 3, 20171 votes

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gg ez

Nocturne gg ez

Rax ReformedFeb 1, 201713 votes

Her ability to zone is ridiculous. She can just keep you sitting at turret with a wall of traps lined up in front of it. Her auto range makes her strong enough. She really doesn't need the ability to deny you farm by walling you at your turret.

Touch My BoxFeb 1, 20176 votes

If they nerf her traps she will be useless.

Her Q is garbage. Her R is garbage Her net is mediocre at best, especially when you consider the delay being interuptable unlike other marksman mobility skills (Trist, Ez)

Her traps are her only redeeming factor.

King of MongooseFeb 1, 201748 votes

ur delusional, her q and r are super strong

her e is strong because it lets you proc your passive if you hit it

she shouldn't be able to zone people from under their tower and beyond for 3 minutes with 5 traps

Touch My BoxFeb 1, 20173 votes

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ur delusional, her q and r are super strong

her e is strong because it lets you proc your passive if you hit it

she shouldn't be able to zone people from under their tower and beyond for 3 minutes with 5 traps

Her Q gets reduced into nothingness. Her ult is just a shitty version of Jhins. The only bonus of it is the truesight it gives.

Almost all of her damage will be soaked by the frontline and do 0 damage as a result.

Ultra Rapid FyreFeb 1, 201716 votes

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Her Q gets reduced into nothingness. Her ult is just a shitty version of Jhins. The only bonus of it is the truesight it gives.

Almost all of her damage will be soaked by the frontline and do 0 damage as a result.

there is no damage soaking in early level play you child

EROTIC RAID BOSSFeb 2, 20173 votes

q and r are not super strong lol

I think Caitlin could prob use a little toning down, but at the same time, her traps are meant for sieging, that's like the whole point really

Hunted9000Feb 2, 20172 votes

they should be allowed for closing off a certain part of the terrain, in this meta if cait ever gets ahead they can just group and section off the tower and there is nothing you can do unless your tank navigates the maze and engages for you and you damage doesnt get caught in the traps to die by cait.

ChaoticPineconeFeb 2, 20174 votes

Her Q and R might be strong in lane but arent much use after that. Both are telegraphed, easily blocked/avoided, and interrupt her DPS in a actual fight (especially after you get your second zeal item. There is an argument to be made for a quick e-q-auto combo to be useful with only 1 zeal item).

Her E is only good for the passive proc/escape. The damage is pretty meaningless, but the fluidity with her passive make it a strong spell.

SeekêrFeb 2, 201718 votes

He's from oceanic, give him a break. Their meta consists of like 3 champs

Nautilus Nami Fizz

DrahcirFeb 2, 201715 votes

you forgot about gangplank, because everyone here is salty AF.

Photos of GhostsFeb 2, 20173 votes

Her R deals jack lol

DaNinadFeb 1, 20172 votes

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If they nerf her traps she will be useless.

Her Q is garbage. Her R is garbage Her net is mediocre at best, especially when you consider the delay being interuptable unlike other marksman mobility skills (Trist, Ez)

Her traps are her only redeeming factor.

cough cough she has the highest overall range in the game

Touch My BoxFeb 2, 20173 votes

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cough cough she has the highest overall range in the game

Jinx with rockets and Tristana outrange her.

She is supposed to have long range, that's her shtick. She is a fucking sniper.

It Hertz When IPFeb 2, 20172 votes

Jinx has to spend mana per AA to outrange her and Trist has LESS range until partway through the match.

13900 EssenceFeb 2, 20171 votes

Doesn't trist only outrange her at lvl 18?

Nobody1111Feb 2, 20171 votes

She out ranges her at level 16

13900 EssenceFeb 2, 20171 votes

i c

I make dem flashFeb 3, 20172 votes

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She out ranges her at level 16

Cool. DW, you can wait until mid late game to catch up with trist's range when you're 0-8 and cait is 14-1 with full build.

Hunted9000Feb 2, 20171 votes

Lol I guess you haven't seen a trist get cced in mid air, Warwick ult stops her, any stun stops her, and snares are the most cancer of all because they keep you in place even after you complete the jump though you should jump over it in logic.

Touch My BoxFeb 3, 20171 votes

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Lol I guess you haven't seen a trist get cced in mid air, Warwick ult stops her, any stun stops her, and snares are the most cancer of all because they keep you in place even after you complete the jump though you should jump over it in logic.

If you are CC'd during the initial cast the jump still goes through.

Walmart PornFeb 2, 20175 votes

Cait is strong but not over powered right now. Imo they should be nurfing the newly overpowered assasians and assasian junglers. Adc in 2017 is starting to become a meme with how weak they are. Almost every game is ashe/jhin/ezreal

13900 EssenceFeb 2, 20171 votes

I don't think any of the assassins are completely overpowered except for Rengar. Kha'Zix needs some toning down on his q cd but other than that he isn't much of a problem.

Talon is bad in lane unless your enemy is inexperienced against him (one of his abilities is pure movement).

Zed even though I hate him, is actually hard to play.

If you consider Ekko an assassin, then he relies on his 3 stack passive which is now much harder to get than it used to be since he doesn't slow you nearly as much.

Sraeg2013Feb 1, 20174 votes

And if you fail at the maze you get shot from outside the fucking vision range.

h5LYF41LamFeb 1, 20173 votes

what is supposed to be caitlyn's weakness is that when you walk on a trap she walks towards you to autoattack and you abuse the chance to hit her with skillshots.

mikemcpartyFeb 2, 20174 votes

Are you forgetting the fact that you are stunned when on her trap? and she gets free poke?

DJMason88Feb 2, 20178 votes

There is a HUGE difference between a stun and a root.

drakuIa421Feb 2, 20173 votes

there is also a HUGE distance between her trap and her empowered auto.

DJMason88Feb 2, 20171 votes

even then, at least you can try and retaliate, if you were stunned there is literally nothing you can do.

Mike17032Feb 2, 20173 votes

As someone who plays a lot of Cait, this is actually a good idea.

I don't like that you can hide traps behind a tower either, that needs an interface change. They should show through in an obvious way.

Deity ExcaliburFeb 1, 20172 votes

I mean, that's the whole thing about caitlyn, being able to siege using traps. Instead of making it decay faster under towers (that's incredibly stupid, she's a sieger), how about make its' duration scale with level? Start at like 40 seconds and go up until the standard 1 minute and a half. It's only fair considering she gets a ton of free traps.

TequilaZombieFeb 1, 20174 votes

She doesn't need to put traps into melee range from a turret to siege. She can make a pretty damn annoying line 300 units away from the turret and siege just as well. Being able to put traps that close to a turret is only useful for making the enemy last hitting experience hell or cheesing headshots with traps hidden by the tower.

Deity ExcaliburFeb 1, 20172 votes

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She doesn't need to put traps into melee range from a turret to siege. She can make a pretty damn annoying line 300 units away from the turret and siege just as well. Being able to put traps that close to a turret is only useful for making the enemy last hitting experience hell or cheesing headshots with traps hidden by the tower.

But 300 units away from a tower is still near the tower and will cause the traps to decay faster, no? But I see your point. Perhaps have a 250 unit area around towers where caitlyn cannot place traps?

TequilaZombieFeb 1, 20175 votes

It would already make me not ban her whenever I'm bot.

As someone who already sucks at last hitting undertower, being able to WALK would already remove a great deal of the frustration of playing vs a Cait.

SmokinArtFeb 1, 20172 votes

I wouldn't mind an Azir Nidalee treatment.

Invisible but targetable under control wards and turrets.

I don't think she be able to drop 5 if they do go invisible.

This would actually be a small buff to Caitlyn since it would give her more chances to do damage instead of "zone" skill type which is pretty lame when she can drop 4 under your turret and there's nothing you can do about it.

sobi999Feb 1, 20174 votes

Not invisible plzzzz. No one wants to put control wards under their towers and not when it has a low cooldown and she can place 3+ at a time. Just make them last longer under tower is more than fine i believe. It won't even hurt her that much as she is currently really strong.

Hello I am BirdFeb 2, 20172 votes

...Towers have true sight that extends slightly past their attack range. I agree that this is somewhat of a stupid change because nobody wants to deal with invisible traps, but saying you have to place wards under your tower is just silly.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 2, 20176 votes

If the traps are invisible they are not doing what they are supposed to. They are meant to be zoning tools, even if you don't like it. If they are invisible they won't function for zoning.

WarmanreaperFeb 2, 20172 votes

Being a Draven main (One of the if not the most countered champion against cait) I can definitely agree.. Shes way too strong right now between the traps, the massive range, net escape with free cit headshot, free crit shot with extended range.. I blood rush to move toward my opponents and to keep my APS(Axe Per Second) at an all time maximum.. It's either i burst her into the ground with my brute mana consuming strength or I get caught in a trap, or she nets away and i get obliterated while slowed and taking hits.

VelasanFeb 2, 20172 votes

They changed the traps to make her unique identity being a trap setting hunter.

IMO they just over did it a bit on the traps, if they just scaled it back so they reloaded slower or she could only place 3 again that would be fine.

If they were nerfed/changed in other ways they might just be even more frustrating. Could you imagine if they worked like Jhin traps and were invisible, but could be disabled? Good luck stepping literally anywhere if they made that change.