Add a new consumable slot that can be used to store one pink ward/ consumable

You literally just described counterplay... something you are trying to argue for AGAINST pink wards...

I 'literally' just described counterplay because I'd like to see wards have more counterplay, which is something they currently lack. Pink Wards currently lack any sort of 'arm' time. You drop it and .005 seconds later you have True Sight in a massive AoE around it. IDK where you get the idea that I'm arguing against Pink Wards. I like Pink Wards, I like True Sight on Pink Wards, I don't like how a 75g item is used as an instant speed Oracle's substitute in the middle of combat - which is what people are really asking for when they say 'give us Pink trinket upgrade back' or 'we need a slot specifically for Pink Wards'.

You literally flash and pounce and the person will never see the "distinct" mark. I said this in my first post, and you seem to have completely ignored it.

Sorry. I guess it slipped my notice. You can still hear Rengar when he's around, so that's a nice touch at least. If I was Riot I'd give him an Evelynn's detection style mechanic but at a greater range. (You can see him even while stealthed if he within 1000 units.)

Oh boy, 8 seconds at rank 5. Totally long term.

One of the longest instances of stealth in the game. Long enough for Twitch to activate it ~3000 units away and walk up to you for the ambush.

Yes it is, and it adds counterplay to stealth. BIG SHOCKER.

It only works as counterplay if it's out in the open (not in brush) or you were informed / aware of it's position before hand, thus allowing you to play around it either by avoiding it entirely or going to kill it. Making Pink Wards visible is counterplay to the Pink Ward, not necessarily stealth champs. Stealth having counterplay would be examples of tell-tale signs, visual / audio clues, maybe a certain % of damage breaks the stealth entirely, or maybe model collision temporarily reveals a stealthed champ. Any of those would be actual counterplay for stealth.

More examples of counterplay against stealth... Why do you think they got rid of elixir? Because people complained it made stealth useless. An immovable, 1 placement per champ, 4 hp, true sight, 1100 vision sight and 1000 range magical sight. So hard to literally kill it when the lane is pushed up zzzz

The arm time wouldn't be counterplay against stealth, the arm time is counterplay for the stealthed champion. The arm time gives the Vayne or Shaco or Twitch a chance to react and think whereas before, if someone drops a pink on top of them, they are screwed.

Trinket wards at level 1 last for 60 seconds. Normal green wards last 120 seconds. They added a little piece of debris that shows where wards have been placed, they removed green wards from the store and now only exist in trinket and sightstone.

Ward debris is cool, I like it. I don't like how even though I watched a ward be placed in that bush, I need a specific counter item just to interact with it. It should not surprise me though, since the history of stealth in League has been needing one specific counter item just to interact with stealth. God help us if the Reds made model collision reveal stealthed units. Then people might have to think about where they place wards, and the stealth champs would have to be doubly careful about their positioning.

And here it is, the coup de grâce. The way you worded this, of course you know better than anyone else right?

Well... I'm one of 3-4 people I've seen on the boards who are saying that the situation is more complex than 'we need dah Pinks Rito'. I've also searched the Boards, old Forums, YouTube and Reddit for people talking about vision and sight and stealth and detection and denial and 'literally' no one else is talking about this stuff.

Hence why I'm here, arguing about this stuff with you and others. Do I know better? Maybe. I've spent a while thinking about this stuff which is probably more that the average LoL player.

You can look at these ideas for wards and trinkets, or take a look at my two champion concepts that both have powerful and unique vision tools. You should be able to see right away how useful and much more interesting the vision game would be if Riot doubled down on the stealth champs and cranked the vision game up to 11.

You know how to deny vision? That's why you keep complaining that you can't deny vision.

By denying vision, I mean Red Trinket but also Nearsight. There is a neat relationship between sight, stealth, detection, and denial that I haven't seen anyone talking about, even the Reds. See? The problem with the vision game thusfar is that 1) stealth has no inherent counterplay (tell-tale signs), 2) True Sight, especially via Pink Wards, is often instant with very little counterplay (other than get out of range or use Red Trinket), 3) both detection and denial are virtually unexplored and underdeveloped pieces of the vision game.

You keep talking about counterplay. You literally point out all the options a pink ward gives you against certain champs that can turn the whole game on its heels.

'All the options Pink Ward gives you.' The option to either see the stealthed champ or not see them (and subsequently kill or be killed by them) isn't great gameplay, IMO. The fact that you can 'turn the game on its heels' with a 75g item is equally outrageous.

Your argument has too many holes that I'm too tired to explain them since it's 11:44PM.

Does it? As far as I can tell, I'm over here preaching the obvious, but people scoff and scorn and sneer because their minds have been warped by dogma. If this was six centuries ago I'd be burned at the stake for heresy. But it might be worth it just so the world (the LoL Community) can see the light. @-@

we have sweeper to counter them?

champs shouldn't be useless due to 150g that anyone can spend