INSANE Vlad buff on the PBE!!!!

Big Lincoln·Jan 24, 2017·149 votes·34,285 views

Vladimir Base attack increased to 55 from 52

+3 AD

hahahahhahahahahahahhahahHAHHAHAHAAahhhHAHAHHAH

146 Comments

Ruin LanceJan 24, 201716 votes

is this real? lmao

RiotMeddlerJan 24, 2017112 votes

Real? Yep. Complete? No. We've got changes to Vlad's AA damage, AA missile speed, Q ratio, Q base damage, E slow all being tested, though I'd imagine those haven't all been datamined yet.

JbelsJan 24, 201721 votes

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Real? Yep. Complete? No. We've got changes to Vlad's AA damage, AA speed, Q ratio, Q base damage, E slow all being tested, though I'd imagine those haven't all been datamined yet.

It occurs to me that it would seem much more efficient to just have a changelog in the files instead of making Moobeat have to dig through all of it

RiotMeddlerJan 24, 201722 votes

Definitely more efficient in terms of people getting a quicker understanding of what's on the PBE. Less efficient for us in terms of speed we can iterate at and need to work on more formal messaging before changes are locked down. That trade off's kept us from putting the time in, especially since people like Moobeat do an excellent job already, while also presenting a range of other content (splash arts, skins, feature changes, UI etc).

ModKnightsKemplarJan 24, 20176 votes

Worth. I'll take that trade every time.

AMYS GRAVEJan 24, 20175 votes

" Why have formal documents?

First writing the decision down is essential. Only when one writes do the gaps appear and the inconsistencies protrude. The act of writing turns out to require hundreds of mini-decisions and it is the existence of these that distinguishes clear, exact policies from fuzzy ones. "

Fredrick Brooks - The Mythical Man Month.

Documentation is the lifeblood of any project, and its critical to maintaining consistency in your design decisions in implementation. If you're not documenting your work you'll get no sympathy from me when they become inconsistent and you're left with bugs in things like CC-dash interactions. These kinds of interactions can be tested out by the designers/engineers if there is a clear and consistent vision for how these abilities should interact.

Furthermore your designers/engineers don't document their work because you've got a volunteer doing it for you? What would happen if Moobeat gets tired of doing this and you're left with no one to do this work? Seems suspect if you ask me.

Sightless66Jan 25, 201710 votes

If you're not documenting your work

That is a bit of an assumption. It is likely that they are documenting their work. They just aren't uploading a user-friendly account of the documentation with each PBE iteration. Documentation for the end-user isn't the same thing as documentation from the design end, particularly when the changes are in an iteration that isn't meant for the end-user.

What would happen if Moobeat gets tired of doing this and you're left with no one to do this work? Seems suspect if you ask me.

Then the situation would need to be reevaluated. No one said or implied that the current situation had to be permanent.

RiotMeddlerJan 25, 201711 votes

Yep, we document stuff internally, to track changes, facilitate discussion, build eventual patch notes, share learnings etc. Those have different needs than a public change log however.

Over InnsmouthJan 24, 201748 votes

Great to hear, thanks for popping in and calming our worries!

~~now all we need is that 5 ms back and all my dreams will be fulfilled~~

Velzard of KozJan 25, 20178 votes

'Tis Blood Moon time. 'Tis when Vladimir mains will thrive.

Saving GraceJan 25, 20171 votes

OMG See I knew it was you and your Mordekaiser friend I saw posting on the boards ! xD

Over InnsmouthJan 25, 20175 votes

Lies. He and I arent friends.

We're lovers.

hunterspecJan 24, 20175 votes

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Real? Yep. Complete? No. We've got changes to Vlad's AA damage, AA speed, Q ratio, Q base damage, E slow all being tested, though I'd imagine those haven't all been datamined yet.

aa speed? is that serious?

RalanrJan 24, 201713 votes

Gotta fling that blood.

OrangesilkJan 24, 201721 votes

Vladimir item 3115

Pale PirateJan 24, 201716 votes

Vladimir item 3124 item 3153 item 3091 item 3115 item 3085 item 3006

So it begins...

Over InnsmouthJan 25, 20176 votes

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/06/Disgusted-gif.gif

RiotMeddlerJan 24, 201732 votes

Missile speed, not attack speed. My bad on the confusion, edited that post.

Improved last hitting early game's the goal there.

Linna ExcelJan 24, 20173 votes

Is there anyone else who needs improved missile speed?

Zero Skill TankJan 24, 201727 votes

About every mage in the game.

blueberrypancakeJan 25, 201713 votes

Kennen's is smooth IMO

Karthus's just makes me die a little inside everytime I see it

MelledoneusJan 25, 201719 votes

Karthus throws an auto Um... Auto still traveling, Karthus shrugs and decides to just Q the minion instead

Velzard of KozJan 25, 201710 votes

The game is nearing its end, enemy is at the nexus. Karthus finally finished the throw animation and projectile starts to travel.

Jungle Lux GodJan 25, 20175 votes

The year is 20XX, and Karthus's auto attack is still traveling to its target.

NåtiveJan 25, 20177 votes

That's why it's always best to stack attack speed items on Karthus.

I haven't won a game with him since his release but that Mobafire guide seemed legit.

EedatJan 25, 20178 votes

Azir 's is SO. GOOD.

VenomStrike31Jan 25, 201713 votes

That's because there is no missile. Azir's AA isn't a projectile. Same with Vel'Koz, and Kayle with her E.

sir d wreckJan 25, 201711 votes

When I play Vel I love Yasuo's who complain that my autos can go through his wind wall. Sometimes I buy a lichbane just to piss him off more.

SqkergJan 24, 201711 votes

Karthus...

Maligaro SpikeJan 25, 20174 votes

it was legit impossible to last hit with old karthus AA, his autos were something... indescribable

AnidanJan 25, 20179 votes

My last-hitting on Karthus vastly improved after I played DotA2 back then. He had a freaking DotA auto-attack for some reason. It was like Zeus: a lot of time spent winding up, slow projectile, and when it hits you might as well have thrown a tuft of cotton candy (or a skittle) at them for all the damage it did.

The Yetii RiderJan 24, 20172 votes

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Missile speed, not attack speed. My bad on the confusion, edited that post.

Improved last hitting early game's the goal there.

Shouldn't ranged champions (and particularly ranged champions who go top lane) have worse CSing power than melee champions? You get to farm safely from range, why should Riot make it easier for the ranged player?

WizardavarJan 24, 20179 votes

Ranged already have more smaller window to last hit due to lower base ad.

Solidair3Jan 24, 20176 votes

On the Camille nerfs: She's definitely too strong right now, no one is going to argue that, but it looks like you guys are hitting her pretty hard. Do you think all of these changes will stick for her?

MatthewRT2Jan 24, 20174 votes

her winrate has been slowly dropping because people are becoming more aware of her weaknesses, it's dropped like 4% from last week

RiotMeddlerJan 24, 201716 votes

We're starting aggressively large and looking to understand which combination of nerfs make the most sense. Gut reaction is not everything on the PBE for Camille's likely to ship, possible we go with different stuff altogether depending on what we find too.

hunterspecJan 24, 20171 votes

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We're starting aggressively large and looking to understand which combination of nerfs make the most sense. Gut reaction is not everything on the PBE for Camille's likely to ship, possible we go with different stuff altogether depending on what we find too.

why did you not nerf her **TRUE **damage.

and you forgot to the nerf making her ult go down when she DIES

Solidair3Jan 24, 201716 votes

Precision Protocol (Q) bonus damage on second hit lowered to 70% from 100%

is on the PBE