Recently had a very terrible string of luck and lost multiple games at Bronze 5 0 LP. I recently became aware that if your MMR drops below your current division, you start gaining less LP for wins. Can this happen at Bronze 5 division ?
Zero Skill Tank7 votesYour MMR will keep dropping, but you can't have rank lower than B5.
But hey, if you drop your MMR really low you can start making fun videos for youtube.
Lauchmelder3 votesWell NA B5 might drop to BR Challenger i guess ;P
YumaS2Astral1 votesYour MMR will keep dropping, but you can't have rank lower than B5.
But hey, if you drop your MMR really low you can start making fun videos for youtube.
And what will happen if you drop your MMR to 0?
IronwallJackson3 votesThis happened to one of the highest MMR players several years ago, but that was because someone hacked RIOT and set a few top players' MMR to 0.
What happens is you get matched up with the absolute worst players in the game. The guy was a good sport about it, and went ahead and streamed his rise from the bottom back to the top, playing whatever he felt like and winning every game in wood 5 except for one as Alistar support.
Bob McFreewin3 votesyou become challenjour in latin america north server
1st Movement2 votesYou can't fall any lower its ok
EmEx2 votesYou will fall into wood
3ofGot40ve2 votesand eventually cardboard
Spicy Rice2 votesAnd then plastic
Monkey D Luffy1 votesTo eventually be in paper
RoodToob1 votesthen we reach Lead, because its too heavy and not very healthy
3ofGot40ve1 votesThen we hit Dirt. In dirt level, everyone just sits there.
cuddlykitten41 votes...but you can use the dirt to build a house. After that all you have to do is hand chop some wood, find some coal, kill an Enderman, take his pearls, use ender portal, kill Ender Dragon, profit....what are we talking about again?
dullishhippo692 votesYou sink into the mythical cardboard 33. . . It's a strange place. Not many cardboard's out there.
Lord Azır2 votesWow haven't seen an Azir with as much mastery points as me in awhile. You should try my build.
is the final build.
Try not to get 
it's a worthless item on Azir.
Rune page is like this:
20% Attack Speed (9 marks, 1 quint) 20% Scaling CDR (9 glyphs, 1 quint) 216 Scaling HP (9 seals) 5 AP (1 quint)
FioraWillCarry1 votesSurprised to see you here. I've seen your name on one of LoLSkill's top lists.
[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-03-16T13:18:54.465+0000)
Wow haven't seen an Azir with as much mastery points as me in awhile.
There's another guy here on these forums who's Silver 2 I think with 800+ K on Azir, twice as much as me. His name has something like "BardIsOP" or OP-something. Can't remember exactly what it was.
[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-03-16T13:18:54.465+0000)
You should try my build.
Try not to get
I use many different kinds of builds. Even that one. Except I get instead of Seraphs. My reasoning is that it helps get him tanky without sacrificing damage. is the only item apart from 
that gives a flat 120 AP, it has to be fully stacked of course. The passive on Catalyst/ROA also acts as a kind of sustain for him in lane. Azir has really really terrible sustain and spellvamp doesn't work well on him at all due to the fact that his main damaging spell is Aoe which cuts spellvamp to a 1/3 of its power.
I'm curious, why do think 
/ is better on him. I never considered trying that.
[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-03-16T13:18:54.465+0000) Rune page is like this:
20% Attack Speed (9 marks, 1 quint) 20% Scaling CDR (9 glyphs, 1 quint) 216 Scaling HP (9 seals) 5 AP (1 quint)
Curious about this, at what level does he get the full 20% CDR ?
RoodToob1 votes18 probably, its how scaling works, so he doesn't want more cdr
Lord Azır1 votesI'm curious, why do think
Curious about this, at what level does he get the full 20% CDR ?
If you run 
and build you basically have 3 summoner spells 
. Not to mention fully stacked gives around 150 AP and all the mana you'll ever need.
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=L0RD AZIR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2016-03-16T16:13:45.941+0000)
If you run
Your reasoning makes sense. I'll give it a try and see how it goes.
Canidae2 votesU get future reddit threads full of ppl saying that they 9-1'd provisionals and got bronze 5. (cause your mmr still decreases even if you can't drop further in the ladder)
Sohleks2 votesEach division is associated with certain MMR range which is a number basically between 0 and 3000+
Your MMR changes steadily when you win or lose. You LP reward/penalty is determined by your current MMR
For example let's say platinum one is 1850 to 1950 MMR.
A player that is currently plat 1 with diamond MMR like 2030 will win like 24 LP a game. If he loses the game he'll lose a tiny amount like 13. The MMR itself changes by probably something like 10-25 every game (depending on how "rooted" you are at that level). MMR changes itself feels like it accelerates slightly during win streaks or lose streaks.
If he had plat 2 or 3 mmr though at like 1790 he'd be losing like 20+ LP a game and winning something like 13. And if he lost at 0 LP he'd probably get demoted.
Bronze 5 is a gigantic range at the bottom at the bracket, probably below 900 or 800 MMR. MMR is always being affected. And it determines when your LP gains become favorable to start rising into the next level.
Don't be discouraged though. You don't REALLY have anything to lose.
FioraWillCarry1 votesEach division is associated with certain MMR range which is a number basically between 0 and 3000+
Your MMR changes steadily when you win or lose. You LP reward/penalty is determined by your current MMR
For example let's say platinum one is 1850 to 1950 MMR.
A player that is currently plat 1 with diamond MMR like 2030 will win like 24 LP a game. If he loses the game he'll lose a tiny amount like 13. The MMR itself changes by probably something like 10-25 every game (depending on how "rooted" you are at that level). MMR changes itself feels like it accelerates slightly during win streaks or lose streaks.
If he had plat 2 or 3 mmr though at like 1790 he'd be losing like 20+ LP a game and winning something like 13. And if he lost at 0 LP he'd probably get demoted.
Bronze 5 is a gigantic range at the bottom at the bracket, probably below 900 or 800 MMR. MMR is always being affected. And it determines when your LP gains become favorable to start rising into the next level.
Don't be discouraged though. You don't REALLY have anything to lose.
Nice explanation. But what is the reasoning behind a high MMR playing gaining more for stomping relative noobs ? Shouldn't it be the other way around ? High gains for beating someone better than you and high losses for being beaten by someone worse than you ?
Sohleks2 votesYou're matched based on your MMR.
So if you win a lot in a row or lose a lot in a row what tends to happen is your LP/division lags behind. You end up being that Gold guy in a Plat game. The plat 4 guy with a bunch of plat 2's. Or maybe the gold 5 guy in a silver game. You can bet in a ranked game (excluding premade grouping factors) matchmaking is as best it gets.
If someone looks oughta place in a ranked game it's usually due to premade groups. Or if they've fallen down they're tilted/previously boosted. Or if they're accelerating up the bracket faster than LP gains they're bringing their A-game with some OP self discovery/ they're smurfing/ getting boosted.
So basically what you see; the LP & League system. It's all a big pretty yet pointless candy wrapper. It gets to the point but lags; it has latency to insure people don't barely touch the tip of some goal and freak out playing ranked. It attempts to make the achievement feel more meaningful than "2000 MMR"
FioraWillCarry1 votesYou're matched based on your MMR.
So if you win a lot in a row or lose a lot in a row what tends to happen is your LP/division lags behind. You end up being that Gold guy in a Plat game. The plat 4 guy with a bunch of plat 2's. Or maybe the gold 5 guy in a silver game. You can bet in a ranked game (excluding premade grouping factors) matchmaking is as best it gets.
If someone looks oughta place in a ranked game it's usually due to premade groups. Or if they've fallen down they're tilted/previously boosted. Or if they're accelerating up the bracket faster than LP gains they're bringing their A-game with some OP self discovery/ they're smurfing/ getting boosted.
So basically what you see; the LP & League system. It's all a big pretty yet pointless candy wrapper. It gets to the point but lags; it has latency to insure people don't barely touch the tip of some goal and freak out playing ranked. It attempts to make the achievement feel more meaningful than "2000 MMR"
Oh I get it. It wants to place you at your correct tier/division as quickly as possible based on MMR so it manipulates LP gains and losses to speed up the process. Makes sense.
Ryùuzaki2 votesu get demoted to wood 5
FioraWillCarry2 votesu get demoted to wood 5
Shouldn't that be Wood 1 ?
Eric Senpai1 votesYou seem to really like playing Azir. Please buy 
or 
, I think that might help. Sorry if I come off as intrusive.
3ofGot40ve5 votesor don't play azir in bronze 5.
dullishhippo694 votesYou shouldn't tell people who they can/can't play, this makes you look like an asshole.
3ofGot40ve5 votesIm not telling who to play, im saying if he cant get out of bronze 5 0lp then he probably isn't ready for champions like azir who have extremely high skill caps. Lets not deny it, if you cant win consistently in bronze 5 then something needs to change. If he isn't winning a lot with azir, maybe he should take a break from him and play someone like Katarina who can stomp matches. Azir is very team fight based, and in gold and below team fights are just a hot mess of scrambling.
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Dunk God,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-16T13:04:31.115+0000)
Im not telling who to play, im saying if he cant get out of bronze 5 0lp then he probably isn't ready for champions like azir who have extremely high skill caps. Lets not deny it, if you cant win consistently in bronze 5 then something needs to change. If he isn't winning a lot with azir, maybe he should take a break from him and play someone like Katarina who can stomp matches. Azir is very team fight based, and in gold and below team fights are just a hot mess of scrambling.
I don't get what you're saying at all. People here like to toss around the words "high skill cap" like that's something scary. You do anything enough times, it becomes second nature. Its not that hard to learn any champion, I don't care how complex they are. If I can't get out of Bronze with Azir, I'm not gonna be able to do it Katarina either. Katarina is not gonna keep my bot lane from feeding 12 kills by 20 minutes. Also, I've seen everything from Yorick, Lulu, AP Malphite to Urgot carry hard in Bronze. Its not about the champion.
3ofGot40ve4 votesIf I can't get out of Bronze with Azir, I'm not gonna be able to do it Katarina either. Katarina is not gonna keep my bot lane from feeding 12 kills by 20 minutes
Katarina is actually the perfect champion to keep your bot lane from feeding, cus if you roam correctly they enemy bot lane wont even be alive half the time.
I've seen everything from Yorick, Lulu, AP Malphite to Urgot carry hard in Bronze. Its not about the champion.
None of the things you listed are bizarre, your right they are just champions. Despite being one of the strongest junglers, lee sin has a 45% win rate in bronze simply because people don't play him correctly. If it wasn't true, challenger and lcs level players wouldn't mention it all the time to low elo players.
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Dunk God,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-16T16:11:47.227+0000)
None of the things you listed are bizarre...
You don't think Urgot carrying hard is bizarre ?
3ofGot40ve1 votesNot necessarily, especially in low elo. Because he is an unpopular champion some people may not even know how to play against him and feed.
AlwaysByMySide1 votesI don't get what you're saying at all. People here like to toss around the words "high skill cap" like that's something scary. You do anything enough times, it becomes second nature. Its not that hard to learn any champion, I don't care how complex they are. If I can't get out of Bronze with Azir, I'm not gonna be able to do it Katarina either. Katarina is not gonna keep my bot lane from feeding 12 kills by 20 minutes. Also, I've seen everything from Yorick, Lulu, AP Malphite to Urgot carry hard in Bronze. Its not about the champion.
Yorick dunks on scrubs who don't know the champ and then carries. Lulu is extremely obnoxious top lane and can easily get fed, and even elsewhere she's so safe and reliable that she can potentially carry games (not my first choice though). Malphite is a cheese pick that can easily carry bronze games because of his insanely stupid and reliable burst. Urgot is a lane bully who can potentially get fed and carry.
Katarina can go to said feeding bot lane and get double kills easily.
Play champs that aren't hard to play and not very team reliant to get out of bronze. It's easier.
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=000400000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-16T21:43:01.513+0000)
Yorick dunks on scrubs who don't know the champ and then carries. Lulu is extremely obnoxious top lane and can easily get fed, and even elsewhere she's so safe and reliable that she can potentially carry games (not my first choice though). Malphite is a cheese pick that can easily carry bronze games because of his insanely stupid and reliable burst. Urgot is a lane bully who can potentially get fed and carry.
Katarina can go to said feeding bot lane and get double kills easily.
Play champs that aren't hard to play and not very team reliant to get out of bronze. It's easier.
Fair enough. I appreciate what you guys are saying but not playing Azir is totally out of the question. If I have to get out of Bronze, its gonna be with Azir or not at all.
And by the way, I mained Akali before. I have over 250K on her and she, like Katarina is traditionally considered a pub stomper and she didn't help me get out of Bronze. I also play other cheesy champions like Irelia, Garen and Yi. I'm telling you, its not about the champions. Funny think is, I have the most success with Azir. I have a winrate above 50% with Azir and I'm currently maintaining that over many games with him, something I can't do with any other champion. You should have seen my ranked stats for Akali last season when I spammed her relentlessly, it was atrocious. I think I was at like a 15% win rate with her or something terrible like that.
Aside from all that, I don't see what the big deal is. I'm Bronze and I'm fine with that. Nothing I can do that will immediately make me Gold. I don't lose sleep over the fact that I'm not talented enough to get out. Losses are frustrating yes, no denying that but over all, I'm having fun and that's good enough for me. Sure, It'll be nice to rise, but if I don't, its no big deal. Some people are more talented than others. Bronze to you might be ez pz but for me its the hardest thing in the world. I have other things I'm really good at, video games may not be among them. Its cool. I just wanna have fun.
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Dunk God,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o0x3zZk0,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-03-16T12:02:59.020+0000)
or don't play azir in bronze 5.
When pigs bark. When dogs lay eggs. When chickens give birth. When....you get the point.....
RoodToob1 votesisn't it when pigs fly? or hell freezes over? haven't heard those ones before
FioraWillCarry1 votesisn't it when pigs fly? or hell freezes over? haven't heard those ones before
I hate cliches. I like to put my own spin on it. Something fresh ;)
cuddlykitten41 votesWe'll let you do that when dandelions do the shuffle.
lilpokfluf1 votesI would start focusing on what you can do to improve. If you keep losing you will eventually condemn your account to be permanently bronze 5 and you'll be losing 20 lp and winning 3
FioraWillCarry1 votesI would start focusing on what you can do to improve. If you keep losing you will eventually condemn your account to be permanently bronze 5 and you'll be losing 20 lp and winning 3
Well, this is about the 3rd time it happened. I'm not all that concerned. Its just a streak of bad luck that'll break eventually. I made it close to B3 about twice this season and got beaten back down to B5 0 LP. This is the worst streak so far though.
Charzin2 votesDear lord man, if you're struggling between B5 and B3 there's a serious problem with your gameplay, something central like being able to cs?
FioraWillCarry1 votesDear lord man, if you're struggling between B5 and B3 there's a serious problem with your gameplay, something central like being able to cs?
Perhaps. But I'm definitely better today than I was say, 4 months ago, and I'll be better 5 months from now than I am today. I don't expect to find shortcuts.
Unstoppable Monk1 votesThe serious problem with gameplay in B4-B3 is that you most often have literally 4 players on your team.
Lots of afks and intentional feeders.
Saianna1 votesWood division then stone division then ameba division, then bacteria division.. then your account is suspended.. then you lost your life.
Unstoppable Monk1 votesDoubt that.
They would just stick your games in as a beginner bot... Then you become the tutorial.
Only Play Darius1 votesYes. Season 4 I lost many games at B5 0 LP and eventually I was getting +9LP for wins and -18LP for losses, so climbing out became near impossible.