Want to know why immobile Bruisers will never have a place in this game anymore?

IsIsGankedParis·Apr 7, 2015·3 votes·608 views

Because all the other Bruisers with mobility either have higher damage, more CC, better teamfighting, or all of the above!

Compare Darius, Garen, and Volibear to Irelia, Gnar, and Jax.

Though I will admit, Sion is one, if not the only exception to this, but that's because he has tankiness out the ass, ranged harass, and an initiation(though not the most reliable)

Please give me a reason to pick an immobile Bruiser like Darius, Garen, Voli, GP, etc. over all these mobile Bruisers that do their job almost 100% better.

14 Comments

redniwediSApr 7, 20153 votes

Garen and Darius are very capable of beating Irelia, Gnar, and Jax in lane. The problem is their team fighting and late game utility can't keep their advantage going against these opponents. On a team where team fighting is minimized they do quite well.

Very Hard EngageApr 7, 20152 votes

RIP Skarner not even considered.

Sailor MintApr 7, 20152 votes

Jungle Skarner is actually doing decent in soloQ. The lack of Olaf is more concerning.

Sailor MintApr 7, 20152 votes

Volibear is seeing a resurgence in the jungle since 5.5. He's always been more of a jungler anyway.

KingsgraveApr 7, 20152 votes

Volibear can actually beat Irelia and Jax pretty easily in lane. He is also a terrifying jungler even with his limited mobility.

CatSithApr 7, 20152 votes

Speed skills are considered mobility so 2 of your heroes named are Mobile heroes lol

SS EnforcerApr 7, 20152 votes

Please give me a reason to pick an immobile Bruiser like Darius, Garen, Voli, GP, etc.

They are fucking fun and are no weaker than other bruisers. Thread over.

Lt CuddlesApr 7, 20151 votes

item 3800 item 3143 item 3078 item 3111 item 3056 item 3025 item 3009 item 3153 item 3512 item 3142 item 3140 item 2138 <- You take some of these to mitigate the mobility "issue" because rito is more focused on giving us items to put up with more mobile champs and I have to say, has certainly made playing Nasus Darius Volibear Trundle Udyr Singed and Warwick easier, not to mention a few others...

Sire HippingtonApr 7, 20151 votes

mobile champs can use those aswell. You got BotrK, enemie adc got BotrK-> still get kited.
you loss out on alot of stats if you oppt for most of those items, and your damage/tankines basevalues are not not really high enough to make up for that compared to mobile champions.
no a single item grants a gapcloser, cc- or atleast slow-imunity. Your only option to get to an enemie is walking towards them, leaving you vulnerable to ranged attacks and cc, and mostly you get screwed big times by slows. You are also fucked if fighting in the jungle vs champions with steps/dashes, as they can escape/chase over terain while you can't

Lt CuddlesApr 7, 20151 votes

mobile champs can use those aswell. You got BotrK, enemie adc got BotrK-> still get kited.

...You seem to have forgotten item 3111 + item 2138 is a common answer to item 3153 , not to mention the bruiser's own CC/mobility in question.

you loss out on alot of stats if you oppt for most of those items, and your damage/tankines basevalues are not not really high enough to make up for that compared to mobile champions.

...If you've been farming up an actual level advantage, and understand how to itemize properly(not stuffing your build with just one dump stat, and building to better deal with your enemies, obviously) , then this stops being an issue...

no a single item grants a gapcloser, cc- or atleast slow-imunity. Your only option to get to an enemie is walking towards them, leaving you vulnerable to ranged attacks and cc, and mostly you get screwed big times by slows. You are also fucked if fighting in the jungle vs champions with steps/dashes, as they can escape/chase over terain while you can't

Here you seem to underestimate CC-reduction, movement speed modifiers, and the painfully underrated 'sidestep'. Targets escaping over walls is an issue, one that can also be mitigated though summoner 4 and any boots that have the distortion upgrade, which lowers the cooldowns of summoner 6 and summoner 12 .

I understand the problem of mobility creep well enough, I am only trying to make the point that with the items mentioned in my previous post, the issue can be mitigated, not completely solved, but mitigated, and to take things on a personal note, I really don't think that being kited is that big of an issue people make it out to be, due to things like item 3102 and item 3075 existing, and the above items adding to that pile of options...

Sire HippingtonApr 7, 20151 votes

No offence, but a Bronze 3 telling a platin toplane main how to play bruisers is kinda odd.

item 2138 is 400 gold for a temporary buff with no combat stats at all. it's a luxority item to get if already fullbuild or if you prepare for a decisive battle like baron 40min in the late if you have the 400g left... item 3111 don't help really a lot vs slows as they have a to high uptime, and there are to much displaces the ignore tenacity. Opting for item 3009 instead leaves you vulnerable to hard cc as their is no other tenacity source worth getting while also reduceing your tankiness, and the slowreduce+more ms sadly doesn't make up for that. sidestepping stuff isn't easy vs 5 enemies, especially as alot is point n click, and if you eatt one single slow, good luck doging further cc.

The problem is that as a bruiser in a teamfight, you need to run into the range of 5 enemies and stay there, which means you need alot tankiness while dealing with prettymuch the entire cc the enemy team has to offer. if you only tool of mobillity is walking, you really have a problem if the enemie backline knows how to position and the rest knows how to peel, as slows own any form of ms buff simply by multiplying with the current ms rather than the flat( if a champion has a 30% ms buff and recives a 30% slow, he will end up slower than without any buff/slow)

Lt CuddlesApr 7, 20151 votes

Bringing up leagues hurts any chance of me believing that you're actually paying any deep attention, I never stated I was telling anyone how to play bruisers, just offering my two cents, and I am aware of that issue in teamfights, but it is never that black and white, painting it as such doesn't really aid you here, I'm sure you understand at your high rating, that it is all in the situation at hand. You also didn't really bother to touch on any of the previous above in full, so I'll just drop this entirely...