if you intentionally dodge in aram you should get punished much more severely than the minor cooldown. I see players dodge simply because they didn't get their god tier aram account rolls.
meanwhile I get aatrox in aram while my opposing team gets kayle/veigar/anivia/sona and i cant do jack shit against them.
there has to be some fix to playing against sona every other game
DrCyanide3 votesI think the punishment should be getting the same champion next time you come into an ARAM lobby, being unable to queue with someone else who has the same penalty on the same champion.
Bam! Just like that you can't dodge for a reroll, so the only people dodging are those with legit reasons.
crzymdscntst2 votesSounds good, but I would change the rule to "being unable to queue with someone else who has the same penalty".
Inclusively, this means that you prevent abuse cases, like 1 person dodging Sona, 1 person dodging Lux, and then they all queue together.
Nahui1 votesThe problem is that by forcing you to keep that champ, you remove a possible champ from another player's pool on your new team since you can't both have the same champ.
DrCyanide1 votesHow is that any different from the lobby they left?
Nahui2 votesWhat?
You can random the same champion twice in a row. I've done before. But take two players who own all champions. They get queued so each should have a chance to roll every single champion. However, since player X dodged his last game, he's stuck with the Rammus he had when he dodged. That means instead of player Y having an equal chance of getting every champion, they only have a chance to get every champion but Rammus. That matters.
And this could be nefariously done too. You roll Ziggs. However, you don't like the enemy comp or the rest of your comp so you dodge. Why not? Now you get a guaranteed power pick, but hoping for a better lobby.
DrCyanide1 votesYou roll Ziggs. However, you don't like the enemy comp or the rest of your comp so you dodge. Why not?
Because the game won't let you dodge at that point. By the time you see the other team's champions it's too late to dodge, the game is starting. You take the full AFK penalty if you leave then.
You can random the same champion twice in a row. I've done before.
So again I ask, what's the difference between someone rolling the same random champion 2x in a row and someone rolling the champion 1x but being assigned it the next lobby?
But take two players who own all champions. They get queued so each should have a chance to roll every single champion. However, since player X dodged his last game, he's stuck with the Rammus he had when he dodged. That means instead of player Y having an equal chance of getting every champion, they only have a chance to get every champion but Rammus. That matters.
How does it matter any more than the first player in the lobby rolling Rammus?
If every player in the lobby owns every champion, then only Player 1 gets the "true random" 1/136 champion. Player 2 gets 1/135 champions to pick from, Player 3 gets 1/134 champions to pick from, Player 4 gets 1/133 champions to pick from, and Player 5 gets 1/132 champions to pick from.
That math is exactly the same for both a game with and a game without the idea I proposed. The only difference is that it Player 1 might get 1/135 champions instead if Player 5 is locked into 1/1 champions at the start because of a dodge. I highly doubt even the most purist of ARAM players looks on with envy at Player 1's ability to be randomly given 1/136 champions as something so much better than their 1/132 champions, so that's not really an issue.
Nahui1 votesWell the enemy comp was a mistake, I forgot that was blinds. But still, statement holds true if one doesn't like their own comp. they just take their God pick and try for a new one.
And the difference between randoming the same champion twice in a row and it being assigned once with certainty is the random portion of it, I'm not sure how you're not grasping the concept here. If I random Rammus, that was a 1/136 chance or whatever the max number of champs is. Player X and y each have 1/136 chance to roll each champion. If X dodges and has this certain assignment, that means player Y only has a 1/135 pool and not a 1/136 next game, or whoever the new player Y is. Statistically small difference? Yes. Unfair that he can't random a certain champion when he's supposed to be able to? It's different than just the regular formula because while the yes it counts down 1/136, 1/135, there's no certainty in any of those players getting a single champion.
Here's why I mean in other terms. I dodge as Ziggs. Next game, it's impossible for 9 other players to get Ziggs. Physically impossible. It's not the same as entering the lobby and randoming Ziggs first, and then everyone else gets their random too. It takes the random out of Aram for one player and eliminates an entire possibility for 9 other players In a lobby to even chance that champion simply because you're in their game. You had a 1/1 chance to get Ziggs, everyone else had a 0/136 chance to get Ziggs just because you were in the lobby. See the ratio problem here? Yes, initially this seems like a punishment for bad rolls. But it is just as easily abused by saving good rolls for better teams. It also, even if a bad roll, locks an entire game from ever having the chance of acquiring that champion, whether it's a good one or not.
I'm not saying it's a huge difference, but it's still a difference and it is taking from players, unknowingly by the way, the true random just to punish one. Essentially everyone is receiving a penalty.
DrCyanide1 votesPlayer X and y each have 1/136 chance to roll each champion.
The only way both players would only have 1/136 chance if you could have multiple of the same champion on a team. Since that's not possible, the first player gets 1/136 while the second player is limited to 1/135, the third to 1/134, etc down to the fifth being 1/132. It's impossible for two players on the same team to have 1/136 odds. That's how things currently are, which is the exact same as what they would be with the proposed change.
Next game, it's impossible for 9 other players to get Ziggs. Physically impossible.
No, it's impossible for the 4 players on your team to get Ziggs. The other team can still role Ziggs, just like they can now.
if one doesn't like their own comp. they just take their God pick and try for a new one. ... Yes, initially this seems like a punishment for bad rolls. But it is just as easily abused by saving good rolls for better teams.
This is the only thing that might be a point of concern. Would it be worth stacking multiple dodge penalties back to back to try and get a slightly better team comp? Would that result in more dodges or less than we have now?
I think it really comes down to are ARAM account players (the people blamed for most dodges, right or wrong) looking to win more games or just play OP picks themselves? If they would dodge if the rest of their team had strong picks but they were on a weak pick, then the proposed solution would fix that. If they're only looking to win, then it's doubtful any solution would keep them from dodging over and over again in search of a better team comp.
CryptoKey2 votes
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are all great poking champs. Honestly getting all of them in 1 team is really OP in ARAM. Lol I feel you man, sometimes teams have OP comps, but that's all RNG.
Mortekaiser1 votes
yeah i just played against it as aatrox. imagine how much fun you'll have
Lauchmelder3 votesNot really RNG if you own all champions while the other 9 players are ARAM accounts.
We need an unlocked championpool.
Mortekaiser1 votesHEY LOOK AT THAT THIRD TIME PLAYING AGAINST SONA IN A ROW
TOTALLY RANDOM RIGHT
PhDs Nuts1 votesIt should be a 6-12 hour queue penalty for ARAM dodges. It's ridiculous how many ARAM accounts there are now. I can't even trade 450-1350IP champs with my teammates, and then the enemy team rolls in with 
Mortekaiser2 votesIt should be a 6-12 hour queue penalty for ARAM dodges. It's ridiculous how many ARAM accounts there are now. I can't even trade 450-1350IP champs with my teammates, and then the enemy team rolls in with
actually i was thinking more severe, like a week penalty.
or force the player to play what he had before the dodge, which would solve the issue of accidental dodges with client crashes
DonatellaVersace1 votesIdk if its just me or does anyone else seem to notice that Kayle comes up a lot in ARAM games...? Am I just crazy or...?
Mortekaiser2 votesIdk if its just me or does anyone else seem to notice that Kayle comes up a lot in ARAM games...? Am I just crazy or...?
nah, i ran up against sona 3 times in a row earlier today. not nearly as "random" as the game would have you believe
Darkdemon6531 votesI won't dodge if I get a bad champion, but I will dodge if every or all but one champion on the team is bad. It's just would not be fun for me and I know it would not be fun for the team, and I am willing to take the hit.
There needs to be some at least rudimentary balancing of teams. Even something like crude like both teams have to have an equal amounts (or within one) of ranged and melee champions would go a huge way. OF COURSE, there would still be heavily unbalanced teams, but it would reduce the chance and would reduce the gap.
Idk if its just me or does anyone else seem to notice that Kayle comes up a lot in ARAM games...? Am I just crazy or...?
Kayle is owned by every account.
Dark Nephthys1 votesAs mentioned before, just have ARAM unlock all champions for the mode. I still don't get why Riot refuses to do that, it would solve all ARAM only accounts problem. Then the only real issue with ARAM at that point would be just getting screwed with team comp but even that problem would be reduced heavily now that everyone will use the same champion pool and ARAM would truely be random.