there needs to be a mage item that allows mages to actually damage tanks

Moonfall Saber·Nov 5, 2017·5 votes·737 views

does not cut it and doesnt stop enemies from building health

Meanwhile in adcville

22 Comments

RalanrNov 5, 20173 votes

It’s not the mage job to hurt tanks unless they are designed to do it.

ShiznyteNov 5, 20171 votes

wanna kill tanks on a mage just pick Veigar Malzahar or AP Galio

Moonfall SaberNov 5, 20175 votes

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It’s not the mage job to hurt tanks unless they are designed to do it.

so why is it an adcs job to kill anything and everything. Why not mages when they are ranged as well.

ShiznyteNov 5, 20172 votes

Mages kill Low armor Targets quite well... look at Syndra R hitting an ADC lol that shit is toxic as fuck to play vs! ADC's are just too good atm so they can kill anything that's not really related to mages job vs tanks. Tanks beat mages, ADC's beat Tanks, and Mages (or assassins) beat ADC is the idea i think

PennsNov 5, 20171 votes

Doesnt stop Zed item 3036 tho

Jinzo TorranceNov 5, 20172 votes

Malzahar Consistent DPS with E, synergy with item 3151 and item 3116 , %max hp damage on ultimate.

item 3194 Nope!

RalanrNov 5, 20171 votes

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It’s not the mage job to hurt tanks unless they are designed to do it.

Take notes.

Jinzo TorranceNov 5, 20171 votes

So Malzahar , a DPS mage with Liandry synergy and max hp damage is not someone who's supposed to hurt tanks?

What mages are supposed to hurt tanks then if these things don't count?

RalanrNov 6, 20171 votes

He is supposed to hurt tanks. If he’s not then he’s weak right now.

AhrisNov 5, 20173 votes

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It’s not the mage job to hurt tanks unless they are designed to do it.

Doesn't even make sense as an argument. Why is adc allowed to hurt both squishies and tanks?

RalanrNov 5, 20172 votes

Just because ADCs have been a problem class for a while doesn't mean everyone needs to be.

But I'll make this simple: Burst loses to durability, durability loses to sustain, sustain loses to burst.

Mages are primarily burst, hence why they suck at fighting tanks.

Honestly ADCs killing squishy champions with crit or armor pen is nothing new, it's just that they are supposed to have a window open for the burst champions to kill them. At the moment they do not.

AhrisNov 5, 20171 votes

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Just because ADCs have been a problem class for a while doesn't mean everyone needs to be.

But I'll make this simple: Burst loses to durability, durability loses to sustain, sustain loses to burst.

Mages are primarily burst, hence why they suck at fighting tanks.

Honestly ADCs killing squishy champions with crit or armor pen is nothing new, it's just that they are supposed to have a window open for the burst champions to kill them. At the moment they do not.

Just because ADC has always been able to kill both squishies and tanks, it doesnt mean they are supposed to be able to do so. They are NOT supposed to be able to kill squishies as they are the primary tank killer and sustained damage.

ADC doing burst damage is also not intended. They are not supposed to be able to chunk the enemy squishy from just one auto. That is burst damage, and ADC is supposed to provide sustained damage, not sustained burst.

ADCs need their entire damage lowered so that their intended role will return to decent sustained dps. As a right clicking role with no counterplay but to stay out of range, it needs to have weaknesses. Currently they barely have any weakness(do they even have any?) and even if they do, itemizations remove any other weakness the role has. Their strength is being able to hard carry every game and have the most impact just because the role lacks any moment of weakness.

JustMonika13Nov 5, 20172 votes

Mages designed to kill tanks are doing their jobs well enough though?

If your name is Syndra or Lux or any other burst mage, of course they’re not supposed to preform well against tanks, because their job is to kill the squishies.

Pokemonred200Nov 5, 20171 votes

I think unless you're a DPS mage like Cassiopeia , you should probably be looking at abusing your range to kill that pesky Vayne Jinx Tristana that are killing your towers and kiting your frontline

Champion SkinNov 5, 20172 votes

Annie I don't know what range you are talking about

Magi MayvinNov 5, 20171 votes

It might not apply to every mage but I am having a decent time damaging tanks with Anivia with item 3151 and item 3135 .

But I guess some mages like lux can't burst every 2 seconds and dps them, anyway their job is to cc and kill enemy carries not to melt tanks.

JustMonika13Nov 5, 20171 votes

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I might not apply to every mage but I am having a decent time damaging tanks with with and .

But I guess some mages like lux can't burst every 2 seconds and dps them, anyway their job is to cc and kill enemy carries not to melt tanks.

Anivia has decent dps with her R tho. Add Liandry’s and yeah it’s a breeze.

FireDrizzleNov 5, 20171 votes

In yolo queue tanks are building item 3065 on Sej and item 3001 on J4, but if a tank builds item 3194 helm even a dps mage doesn't do much with those items.

iLBGAMingNov 5, 20171 votes

Tbh Riot just needs to buff item 3151

SpookyNeedleNov 6, 20171 votes

To even do damage mages pick up item 3151 item 3135 item 3020 every game An AD champ most likely will pick just one of these to counter armor item 3071 item 3036 item 3033