Irelia nerfs are a joke.

Yeah, and when Kat is ahead now vs bad players she roflstomps, like actually roflstomps....there's not much they can do besides hope she stuffs up.

Don't just say "Oh, but counterplay is important" when Katarina is quite literally a "can I oneshot you with one part of my kit?" champion. Pre-rework she needed to hit a full combo, this Katarina just needs to hit one dagger+maybe Shunpo and Gunblade's active to one-tap you. Her ult is pretty much useless at this point, it's embarrassing. Sure, pre-rework was still irritating in the counterplay department, but at the very least you could see why you died reasonably. With this Katarina you look at your death recap and you're like "Oh, she did 500+ damage with only one dagger and 1 1/2 items....great....".

Oh, and while I do bitch about Shunpo, she definitely has far too much mobility now. No champion should have over 2 dashes in combat without some insane requirement like Katarina's Voracity reset passive or Tristana's Rocket Jump reset on kill/assist. We've seen with Irelia and Akali just how frustrating and overbearing having an assload of mobility can be, so my question for you is, do you think that Kat is healthy in this manner? Do you enjoy playing against a champion that can seemingly chase you through most of your escapes? Cause I sure don't. I hate facing Akali and I hate facing Irelia, had I never played Kat I would probably also hate this reworked Kat as well when on the receiving end because it's just frustrating to face.

But healthiness in counterplay is more important than how it feels to the player, so...

Counterplay is literally all about how it feels to the player. They wouldn't have reworked Kat unless there was an outcry within the community about Kat being frustrating to play against. Counterplay is a by-product of players either feeling like there are meaningful decisions they can make to shut a strategy down, or there aren't enough meaningful decisions, which leads to frustrating, toxicity and a general hatred towards that strategy. Old Kat still had counterplay, it's just that that counterplay was nye-impossible to properly implement into low elo play, which is where old Kat thrived.

It's no different now. Katarina now thrives in low elo as a general pick and she's an ok one trick pick right before D3, which is when you pretty much need to switch over to mages and other, better assassins. I'd say there are more meaningful decisions to make vs this Kat when she's even or behind, but when she's ahead there's not much you can do unless you're playing in an elo which groups you with players who have brains. 'Cause that's all new Kat is, an idiot-check champion, she gets fed off of you and your team walking into her daggers and then she proceeds to keep doing the same thing, being that she's waiting for you to path into daggers and then she's killing you for it. I don't know about you, but I'm not 100% with her rework....

Blah blah her rework sucks blah blah. But no, really, counterplay-wise this rework is definitely better. But gameplay health wise she's definitely devolved. Gunblade needs to be removed/hard-nerfed and Katarina needs a more healthy first item as well as some nice changes to her Shunpo for compensation. For Shunpo all she needs is some more speed and for the base damage nerf to be reverted, that's it, done. As for her passive legit just add +5 damage to it in early levels. There, that's rework Kat fixed, done. Thank me later.

Pre-rework Kat wanted Luden's more, and first item Zhoyna's was also an option as well as Abyssal Scepter, Protobelt (kinda a weird one), Gunblade and strangely enough Deathcap. So before her rework she had quite a few first items she could run, compared to the one now.

I'm not saying I want a revert or anything (though I definitely do, I've just accepted that it's pretty much impossible to get from here on out), I just want them to nerf Gunblade and change Kat so that she can have some level of item diversity. The only other "options" she has are Rylai's, Spellbinder, Protobelt (hi Flyerbek) and Zhoyna's, and all of them are sub-optimal compared to Gunblade. If you go Zhoyna's first on this Kat you're pretty much trolling since Gunblade is most of your damage and if you go Rylai's you lose out on the sustain and killing power. Protobelt, again, you lose out on sustain and the broken active of Gunblade. As for Spellbinder that item is useless outside of being purchased on Vlad and Veigar, it seriously needs its active to be reworked.

Also, just to comment, Banshee's is an awful item.

That's a result of the champion being less effective, not the item. You're trying to tell me that because Irelia is weaker, Phage is weaker, which is absolute non-sense.

If you're arguing about "sums", you suck at math, because at the end of the day, Irelia is getting 395 MS from Phage, as opposed to the 400 MS from before. If we "sum" that up, that's a loss of 5 MS. And if I recall correctly, Irelia lost ... 5 MS, I think the "sums" match up.

If Irelia somehow lost more than 5 MS with Phage then you'd actually have an argument. But as far as I can tell, she doesn't.

Unlike my other two posts can you kindly read this one? Thanks ^.^

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You guys said the same shit about the -3 AD nerf, and you guys will continue to do this. Wait until the nerf plays out before knee jerk reacting.

No actually i said nothing of the sort. Graves was pretty close to being a balanced champ and his main problem was he snowballs out of control too easy. -3ad with the dark harvest nerfs was a pretty big deal when addressing that.

Irelia isn't even close to balanced they legit could take 50 damage off her Q and take away her BULLSHIT ranged "melee" attacks, make Stun not hit you when she misses it by 5 miles and she would still be fucking S tier.

But your argument still doesn't make sense. You're saying Irelia being down 5 MS affects how effective Phage is on her when she has 5 less speed with or without it.