5 Rules for Junglers that Laners Wish You Would Follow.

I agree, but point 5 is usually the other way around, as a main jungle I am always the one insulted by those who are losing lane.

"gg no jg" said the 0/3 toplaner. [zombie-brand-clap]

1. 100% fair. Junglers get a little over confident at times. I would argue however that if I know the enemy jungle is on the other side of the map, I should be fine. If the laners on that side of the map start to head toward me, you better be spam pinging me though.

2, 3, & 4. I honestly hear more laners complain when junglers aren't ganking when their opponent is 1-2 levels ahead, ganking to blow summoners, or taking cs after a gank.

.5. The same could be said from the opposite perspective. It's just common courtesy. We are a team.

While we making requests though.

Call Summoners and major cooldowns. Ping 'has vision' when you see an enemy ward. Place and clear wards near your lane. Get deep vision if you can. Collapse if you spot a jungler fight near your lane. (if reasonable) KNOW WHEN WE ARE NEAR OR NOT, and play accordingly.

As a jungler, if I have a laner doing these things,.. I'm going to play around you more than other lanes.

1. Depends on the matchup, cant say dont always do this. I can go into the jg to kill the enemy jg and relieve pressure on your lane when their laner comes to help which lets you free CS and get exp while they lose it. Most of the time sure it's bad, but if I see their jg fail a gank then go back into their jungle at 1/3 HP, free invade, take his jg, relieve pressure. I know champs like rengar and olaf have a super low HP first clear so even if lanes are shoved I'll go invade to see if they're just finishing a camp to snag a free 2 hit kill.

2. Also depends. If the laner has done absolutely nothing and opponent is full, then sure no gank. If they just finished a trade and laner is very killable you can still secure the kill, grab those waves and shove to tower to reset

3. Maybe. If that lane is capable of carrying and skilled sure I'll go get you ahead from summs. If I blow their summs and the laner is total shit they can still lose lane and theyve wasted my time, risks the opposing jg to take my camps, time I cannot help another lane, time I cannot invade, time I'm not getting exp or gold. I judge laners very heavily depending on their runes, build and CS to see if they know what theyre doing. Not going to bother helping a stormrazor toting Panth with PTA

4. Agreed and yes it needs to be done. Still often get flamed for "taking kill" then "stealing CS" at many ELOs. Even if the laner is at 10% HP you'll get so much bitching as a jungler for doing anything they dont understand even if it's the right thing to do

5. Jg gets way more flame from laners than jg flaming laners and most of the time someone is fucking up to get caught or not help when they should

5 points for laners that junglers wish you would follow:

1. Help your own jungler when he gets invaded. There is no point in sitting in your lane watching the enemy jungler taking all your junglers farm and then cry why your jungler won't do anything on the map as he is to far behind.

2. Follow up when your jungler comes for a gank. Don't expect your jungler to waste time on your lane when you dont make a move.

3. Do "enemy has vision" pings when your laners goes to ward something. Nothing more frustrating to prepare a gank and the enemy starts walking towards his tower when you are still far away because he placed a ward.

4. Stop making the game harder for your jungler when you repeadetly die to the enemy jungler. It isn't your junglers fault that you overexten, and it isn't his job to win your lane for you.

5. Don't expect your jungler to gank your lane when the enemy outclasses you by far. It is wasted time in which your jungler can either gank a better lane or just farm exp and gold.

So don't act you as laners are the only ones that have somethign to complain and you are nevery doing a misplay.

5 Responses bad junglers have for laners that are B5

1. Dont tell me what to do, not my fault your losing lane pressure and i feel like setting myself ahead of the enemy jungler...
2. If your already whining about the first thing im not ganking you at all
3. Nah im good, ill walk into your lane and get the tower if im not getting a kill... otherwise ide rater be taking dragon or counter jungling
4. Dont wanna tax you minions like that... you would just complain at me
5. Not my fault you don't listen and the enemy walks all over you

(edit: i dont jungle this comment was satire and even when i do im not totaly retarded like this)

Don't invade when all your lanes are being pushed into turret. Simple as that, we don't have lane priority and it takes longer for us to help you. You're gonna get collapsed on, there's nothing we can do to stop it. Instead try ganking some of the lanes to alleviate pressure. Help us before we can help you.

-Stop picking Kassadin into a heavy wave clear champ so I can stop 3v1ing in my jungle while you spam question mark ping me as my birds and red buff and stoner brothers are taken :B.

Don't gank when there are 20 minions under turret, or when the enemy laner(s) is 1/2 levels above. It's too risky with such a big minion wave/exp lead. Chances are you and your laner are going to get 1v2'd.

-Stop Question Mark spam pinging me every 15 seconds cause you keep dying under turret with a full minion wave after telling me not to gank you, meanwhile your laner is still in my jungle trying to kill me because you're Kassadin :B.

Help push the lane after ganking and getting a kill. Your ganks won't mean anything if the enemy can simply come back to lane and freeze the wave. The minions need to fully crash under turret in order for it to reset/bounce back. This is different from a tax where you take CS simply for being in the lane and nothing else.

**-You spam ping me one more time for taking a caster minion and saying, "this jgl" I'm going to freak on you. I expect more from D4-3 players **[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Don't flame us when we don't do everything you want. We're not your slaves. We have exp and gold that gets wasted every time we have to bail you out because YOU take bad fights and bad invades. Sometimes we have no choice but to ignore you, and that's just something you're going to have to live with.

**Laners literally flame the ever living crap out of us every 10 seconds for mistakes you yourself make lol. I got 20 dollars worth of RP if I go into virtually any game where you have a shoving champ, you're going to be shoving the wave in and not warding regardless of where your jungler is located/what they're doing instead of managing your wave and playing around your junglers rotation so that you always have a back up. NA is actually the biggest offender of this common mistake, even in high high elo. You go watch China/KR and they dictate what they do in lane relative to junglers position. NA TOP LANE/Bot Lane SPECIFICALLY just afk shoves into enemy turret and freaking dies, starts spam pinging the ever living crap out of their jungler and flames them. That's on you, buddy, not the jungler. **

It's honestly not even hard either. Look at the minimap, look at my clears and see where I'm at. If I'm freaking across the map play back, ward bush by frog and ward over the wall into the bush in river, yes it's actually possible to do. Now you'll now if you're being ganked. If the enemy jungler has mobis, he might gank you, otherwise he's following a similar clear path -barring champ and rotation- If he appears around river back off and waste his time so I can take his entire bot side jungle and kill his bot lane. If I'm over by wolves/blue buff just ping assist and tell me you're shoving and to escort you and I'll be more than happy to help. It actually is that simple. But guess what? You won't. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

P.S: I didn't even need to op.gg you prior to writing this to know you were a Kassadin Player. My God you guys are a dime a dozen LOL. I literally just checked and nailed it right on the head.

5 Rules for Laners that Junlers wish you would follow

1. If your lane is pushed, pay attention to the map so you can help out with scuttle fights/invades. You may even get a kill out of it!

2. Do not flame us and spam ping asking for ganks when you are pushed up to the enemy's tower, we don't have a lot of room to work with and the only way we can be useful is if we dive because they're extremely low, or through a countergank.

3. Use wards and pay attention to the map, but mainly place wards. Even if you don't notice what's going on where you put them, we might, and we can use that information to help your lane or other lanes.

4. If we pull off a successful gank in your lane, we want to shove your lane into turret so it bounces back, so don't get mad that we're "taking CS"-- it should be common sense.

5. Don't flame us when you overextend without wards, pick dumb fights in lane that you can't win or don't follow to fights when your minions are even or pushed to the enemy.

Thx guys

5 Things Junglers above Bronze would like you to know about Jungling

1. We know more about how to play your wave then you do. We all off role a lane unlike you, we all pay attention to the waves in 3 lanes at a time every game while you're only paying attention to 1
2. Stop coming to "help me" do dragon when i'm sneaking it at level 5. They can see you leave lane and go towards then infernal that's up
3. Fuck your 2 minions crab is more important
4. Learn what a deep ward is and ping your jungler where your laner puts down wards so he can path around them. And last but not least
5. Stop blaming me for every time you lose 1 v 1. Just fucking stop.

P.S. the reason the other jungler always ganks you is because you're overextended without wards and your jungler doesn't wanna help because you were flaming him nonstop and he has you muted and is trying to win through the other lanes.

Things your jungler wants you to know

1. If I gank, and you get a kill, I’m taking some minions.
2. If you push to turret, don’t expect me to gank you
3. Watch your map. I’m tracking the enemy jungler at all times.
4. It’s not MY JOB to win YOUR LANE
5. See number 4 because this shit needs to be stressed.

1. Damn it, I can't think of a salty, witty comment for this one [slayer-jinx-unamused]

2. Fine, but then stop spamming the help ping too please.

3. Only if laners actually manage to create a lane state where a gank can succeed. Also, don't expect me to gank BS like LeBlanc, Zed and Fizz unless they're literally under your tower, they only have to press one of their basic abilities to get out for free and waste the resources I spend to get to your lane.

4. Only if you don't start screeching that I take CS.

5. Same goes for laners, jungle camps don't farm themselves and objectives die to the enemy jungler as easy as they do to me.

Yours truly,

A Tilted Jungle Main

Knowing what your jg can do is also very important....

Every time I see an ivern theres got to be at least 1 person who dont know anything about ivern besides he can create bushes........

I tell my jungle to never gank top. they always die and fuck up my lane.

Also if the enemy jungle is Kindred, FREAKIN TAKE HER MARKED CAMPS! I don't want to have to keep pinging camps on our side of the jungle just to get you to keep her from easy stacks

5 rules for laners junglers wish they followed

1. if you get ganked while pushing its not our fault

2. help us if were getting invading

3. dont expect ganks cause ure doing poorly, when most likely the other 2 lanes are doing garbage too

4. dont just ward your shit, ward the jg. get a wider spread of vision coverage

5. if you want a gank, make sure you clear out their vision

Now what I want from laners when they say "GG SHIT JUNGLER NEVER GANKS":

1. Ward your fking lane sides.

2. Ping when laner is missing.

3. Follow your enemy laner if he invades my jungles.

As a mid lane main (yes, I'm serious) I would have agreed. Jungle seems like an easy enough role and, once upon a time, it was. That has changed since the experience from camps was reduced, forcing junglers to contest neutral objectives even more often just to keep up in level.

Climbing a bit higher forced me out of mid and into jungle, as getting troll banned or "No Kha mid plz" was a guaranteed loss more often than not. Gotta' say, no laner who hasn't jungled in the past year should open their mouth about the role. Seriously, most of them know nothing.

"Help push the wave."

Yeah, sure. That's more of a coinflip than a rule. If you do this, you'll cost the enemy some gold and experience and do one of two things.

1.) Make your laner happy.

2.) Make your laner quit.

"Don't flame us when-"

Alright, look. You know what sucks? Being made to feel bad by your team. You know what sucks more? Being a level down on the enemy jungle from the get-go because you just got three manned at your first scuttle and lost at least the crab, if not your flash or worse, because your laners don't understand how important that crab is for your clear. Know what sucks even more than that? Dying to the enemy top laner and jungle who are waiting at your second buff. You know what sucks the most? Getting blamed for being "outjungled" or giving a kill to someone's lane that just goon-squaded you.

Yeah, the "bad jungle" blame thing is a bit of an exaggeration, mainly because everyone in every role gets blamed evenly (no, supports, you do NOT get blamed more than anyone else). There might be a slightly higher risk in this department for junglers because they have to directly interact with everyone more often and more eyes will be on you when doing so, but it's marginal at most. However, ultimately, the things junglers get blamed for are in a whole different league of asinine.

There's a difference between Leona mindlessly diving into a fight she can't win in bot lane and feeding a kill then getting blamed and a Rengar taking scuttle, prepping an objective while his top dies to a brainless Rammus gank and getting blamed.

You're not going to run into some of these jungle issues in bronze to low platinum. But if you're sitting in mid platinum and up, watching your jungler get three manned by your lane, that lost crab and everything that results from it IS your fault. So no, "don't blame me when-" doesn't cut it. You need to know the game by a certain rank and just because you pinged doesn't make it alright for you to give up a neutral objective.

Point number 2 is so valid.

People really do need to realize how much this affects the overall match. It counts as a loss even after a successful gank because the potential EXP and gold we wasted on a turret.

Omg. And minion aggro is so real, have 20 enemy minions pushed in is like have 2 other enemy champs to deal with when you draw their aggro.

Honestly, with these game mechanics I'm going to feel so bad for Iron, Bronze and Silver players because they're going to come to this point not understanding what went wrong when to them 'it looked so right'.

"What went wrong you guys?" "Idunno LEL" "Better Jungler wins OMEGALUL"

The only thing I wish laners would do is listen to me. I had a Viktor who was laning against Irelia. I told him not to push, because the enemy Evelynn would easily kill him when she ganked with Irelia.

He pushed all game and died 12 times.

Number 5 should always be posted on front of my laptop as a strong reminder to always be nice even if someone is Darius 35 cs and 0/5 on top lane against a garen who didn't get any help at all to beat my top laner... btw this is at the 18 minute mark.

Honestly I do get angry when i catch a laner not playing up to average skill. I need to knock that shit off.

Wish I didn't have such a short fuse or if the game allowed a minute break in game to relax.

With the 20 minion one tho. I don't go for an actual normal gank as you think especially if i have a nasus is on my side. I tell him in chat that "I'm gonna camp gank but not take your cs." that way I can zone the enemy top laner away from nasus or other ally top laner so they can cs.

Sometimes some enemy top laners can be a bit too fed on kills and cs bullying so yeah I have to come and help my ally farm a bit.

Thanks for the post man. <3

I feel like this post is from one of those morons that dies 5 times in the first 5 minutes bot, and then babyrages in the chat that I'm not ganking even though I've already ganked mid and top once each and gotten a kill both times and then recalled to buy some items. Then this same idiot proceeds to over extend after already continuously feedin g and both him and the support die so that the enemy team can then just take the infernal dragon for free and we can't contest it because two equally stupid morons are dead and then we just lose because the enemy bot snowballs and their mid gets free kills off a useless afk babyraging jinx player thats sitting bot for 30 minutes in a desperate attempt to finish stormrazor runaans while the other adc has 5 items.

RESIDENTSLEEPER

As a main jungler whenever one of my lanes dies more than once 1v1 or 2v2 , I will just not even try to come .

Agree with most of your points

And 6. Delete Jungle. LOL JK

I might add

"If you're playing a fast af jungler like and you go in full speed knocking them further back. for god sakes don't ping when we haven't caught up yet".

To be honestly with you if the jungle just did 1, 2, and 5 i would be happy but they seem to screw even that up for me most of the time.

6. don't complain if they end up with a double kill, you need to have a way in with a way out.

If a jungler gets invaded by the enemy jungler help out. Punish them for trying to invade. I hate it when I don't get help from laners.