Ghostcrawler and Meddler misunderstand what makes pro-play enjoyable.

KING XXXI·Jul 9, 2018·104 votes·16,626 views

Pro-play used to put you on edge because the game was centered around playing smart and strategic. Each team had the potential to play it smarter than their opponents and make a comeback.

Now I turn off games sub ~10 minutes because the outcome is basically decided by then, there really is no point in watching beyond that. Games are no longer strategic battles, it's whoever shoots first. It's basically turned into CS:GO.

Ghostcrawler, Meddler, you're misinterpreting the game, it's a strategy MOBA, not a twitch shooter.

52 Comments

Automated RivenJul 10, 201852 votes

I really really miss old skt. When tactics actually mattered in the game. When they were praised for losing the minimum and playing to their win conditions.

Unfortunately that league is gone.

Somebody Love MeJul 11, 20186 votes

YES. GOD YES.

Even when behind, they came back through superior macro play and it was so beautiful to watch the smarter coach and smarter team win. Now it's about champion picks and bs damage I can't watch this

Automated RivenJul 11, 20185 votes

Holy fuck how did I get 37 upvotes. I thought that was an unpopular opinion. And everyone lived to see skt lose.

DivewingJul 11, 20185 votes

People got sick of SKT winning.

What they didn't realise was that SKT's close games would fill most of a list of most exciting matches/series ever.

Ezreal SupportJul 11, 20184 votes

yeah... we didn't realize that the downfall of Faker was suggesting something far greater about the state of the game.

Wood Tier IVJul 12, 20182 votes

https://youtu.be/2cQuqM4AKk4?t=2059

For example, the Legendary SKT comeback.

Automated RivenJul 12, 20182 votes

Ya. That's the shit I watched LCS for. The tactics and out rotations. That game was beautiful for many reasons. Now games just suck.

LatetotheRaceJul 10, 201815 votes

Sorry, the Koreans like this. Sooo we're being dumpstered because of it.

GigglesOJul 10, 201815 votes

LC$$$ Big Play$$$

Real Sexy YoonaJul 10, 20189 votes

{quoted}

Sorry, the Koreans like this.

Based on what? How do you know that they like it? I'm Korean so please enlighten me. Is your answer the typical "muh games are shorter in Korea so they must like the snowball/oneshot meta" or "it's Korea's fault that Riot is making games shorter and less fun"?

Insensitive comments like yours never fail to impress me of how bold people can state things without having any knowledge of what they are talking about.

BijeesnyJul 10, 20187 votes

I think he meant that shorter games are in favor of korean playerbase because of internet caffes. Don't quote me on that, I'm not 100% sure, but I saw people are bringing that up from time to time.

Real Sexy YoonaJul 10, 201822 votes

They pay by the hour to play in internet cafes better known as PC Bangs. I was actually in one a few hours ago. I'm tired right now, so here's a thread I made in the recent past: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/RabeQop4-shorter-game-times-in-the-korean-server-and-the-reasons-why-its-preferred-there?show=flat

Basically, Korean games ending quickly has nothing to do with Riot. Riot can't please the Koreans because the Koreans don't give a fuck whether Riot is lengthening or shortening the game duration. Due to their circumstances, Koreans will always end games quicker regardless. It doesn't favor Koreans because it doesn't change anything in Korea.

Which is why pointing fingers at the Koreans makes zero sense. It's been this way in Korea even when the games were longer in western servers. Just because games are shorter now doesn't mean it's what the Koreans want. They don't need or want it to be shorter, because there are always open mids, 15ff etc. There are also Korean streamers that are outspoken about the state of the game and most of them dislike it.

People just see a similarity and they immediately make a connection, ignoring all common sense. These ignorant people love shutting down their brains and creating false narratives of how the Koreans are so happy with the state of the game and how Riot wants to continue pleasing them. Which is absolute bull shit.

Finally attributing lower quality games to Korea is being rude to a nation that's many steps ahead in terms of e-culture. Crowds grouping up to watch games in studios? (like NA LCS) Yeah those existed in Korea before I was even born.

An FPS game called "Sudden Attack" used to be the most popular FPS game in Korea (CS coming in second) before Overwatch. So to match the release of Overwatch, Nexon released "Sudden Attack 2"- it was highly anticipated to take back it's rightful place as the #1 FPS game in Korea. Guess what? Koreans literally killed the game after its release because of 1. Lack of Quality 2. Pay-to-win Items in store 3. Over-sexual death poses 4. Inaccurate weapons. Due to the hate and boycotting, Nexon had to close the game. This is just one example of how aggressive Koreans are when it comes to judging the quality of a game.

Which is why comments that imply Koreans must like League rn when it's at a shit state is so far from the truth. "But muh there are so many Koreans still playing League while people are quitting here" That's because Korea has a more loyal playerbase when it comes to League and games like Fortnite/Realm Royal (that's "stealing" a lot of players) don't have a notable following in Korea. Like Starcraft1, League managed to ascend past other games and become a defining part of Korean culture. It's watchable in your home Television, the e-communities embrace the game, and Faker is arguably more popular than the Korean President. You think a ~~game~~ national sport like that can simply "die" because of fortnite and god-tier shitty balancing? lmao it will take more than that.

BijeesnyJul 10, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=Real Sexy Yoona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HWAzMz85,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T16:30:55.343+0000)

They pay by the hour to play in internet cafes better known as PC Bangs. I was actually in one a few hours ago. I'm tired right now, so here's a thread I made in the recent past: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/RabeQop4-shorter-game-times-in-the-korean-server-and-the-reasons-why-its-preferred-there?show=flat

Well written post. Not too long, but easy to understand korean culture. Btw when you get some rest, care to explain why are internet cafes so popular there? Can you give a short description of those places? I used to go in one PC 'playground' (raw translation, don't know the official name in english) but most games that I played there with my friends I could play at home aswell (we were going there because 2 of our friends didnt have working PC-s at the time) and there would be often a bunch of kids who would be loud and obnoxius, so that moved me away from that.

Basically, Korean games ending quickly has nothing to do with Riot. Riot can't please the Koreans because the Koreans don't give a fuck whether Riot is lengthening or shortening the game duration. Due to their circumstances, Koreans will always end games quicker regardless.

I'm glad you could clear that up for me, and hopefully for everyx1 reading your comment.

Which is why pointing fingers at the Koreans makes zero sense. It's been this way in Korea even when the games were longer in western servers. Just because games are shorter now doesn't mean it's what the Koreans want. They don't need it to be shorter, because there are always open mids, 15ff etc. Besides there are Korean streamers that are outspoken about the state of the game and most of them dislike it.

People just see a similarity and they immediately make a connection, ignoring all common sense. These ignorant people love shutting down their brains and creating false narratives of how the Koreans are so happy with the state of the game and how Riot wants to continue pleasing them. Which is absolute bull shit.

Well you can't blame them for pointing fingers at Koreans. Almost no1 knows what's like to play there, but when they heard Riot is shortening game lenght and that interent cafes in korea are paying by the hour, they just went with '2+2=4' mentality.

Finally attributing lower quality games to Korea is being rude to a nation that's many steps ahead in terms of e-culture. Crowds grouping up to watch games in studios? (like NA LCS) Yeah those existed in Korea before I was even born.

Wow. It's the same for my country rn when our football team is playing in World Cup ( I hope I didn't type the name wrong). They are actually playing against England in semi-finals tomorrow, crowd is already going nuts.

An FPS games called "Sudden Attack" used to be the most popular FPS game in Korea (CS coming in second) before Overwatch. So to match the release of Overwatch, Nexon released "Sudden Attack 2"- it was highly anticipated to take back it's rightful place as the #1 FPS game in Korea. Guess what? Koreans literally killed the game after its release because of 1. Lack of Quality 2. Pay-to-win Items in store 3. Over-sexual death poses 4. Inaccurate weapons. Due to the hate and boycotting, Nexon had to close the game. This is just one example of how aggressive Koreans are when it comes to judging the quality of a game.

Jesus, what would they do to Riot if they decide to boycot them xd

Real Sexy YoonaJul 10, 201811 votes

I'm still tired but I'll explain before I go to bed. Mind you, this will be a sea of spelling, and grammatical errors. (It's indirectly mentioned in the thread linked in my previous comment) PC Bangs are popular because Koreans (especially students) are very much restricted and under the authority of their parents at home. Meaning, in Korea if your mom calls you for dinner during a ranked match, you are going to lose that LP real quick.

Jokes aside, it's similar to how love hotels in Japan exist for couples wanting to have sex and how it's pretty awkward to do it at home due to close family structures (always someone at home). And of course, you will see clueless outsiders calling it a place for prostitutes when prostitution is fucking banned in Japan.
Like people need to start understanding that it can be very rude misinterpreting and boldly expanding on a small piece of information you think you know about a culture when you don't.

Anyways, here are the details of a PC bang:

PC bangs are usually quite dark inside. Imagine a movie theater where everyone breaks the rules and turns on their phones. The bright lights in a PC bang would be the monitors which can be as big as 32 inches. 24 and 27 is more common I think. And it's bright enough so you wouldn't trip or anything.

There is usually a counter near the entrance where a dude (or a hot girl in the PC bang I go to- lucky me) accepts payment. If you are a guest, it's around a dollar or a dollar and a half per hour. If you get a membership (which might cost you at first) costs will be cheaper (cheaper eventually considering if it was a paid membership) It feels cheap at first but time goes so fast when playing games lol

Near the counter is pretty bright and there are refreshments of all sorts nearby. Practically a small convenience store is in there but with only things that are edible and purchasable game currency cards for whatever game. You can also order food from outside (Pizza, etc).

The temperature is always cool because there are huge fans and ACs running 24/7.

A normal PC bang could probably fit around 80-100 people. Larger ones can fit more. Smaller ones- less. After walking pass a bunch of rows of computers placed in cubical areas (for personal space), you'll probably see a smoking room or bathroom at the back end of the room.

The equipment is lit (gaming chair, headset, keyboard, mouse etc). The computers are really fast and I haven't experienced any lag of any sort so far. LED lights of different colors can come from the equipment, the ceiling, or the floor.

If you are under 18 or 19 (I can't remember), you can't stay in a PC Bang after 9PM. A few PC bangs don't allow people from a certain age group as well.

Understand that Koreans are really picky when it comes to cleanliness. I've lived in Europe, Africa, America and Korea- and I can tell you it's pretty ridiculous how far these Koreans can go. I mean in most houses you don't even wear shoes inside.

So a PC bang that's not clean, smells like sweat or food, has poor/cheap equipment, and or bad management (keeping noise down) will always go out of business. Always. It's because no matter where one lives in the city, there is at least 5 competing PC bangs from a 3-8 minutes walk distance.

I have a friend who's family is pretty rich (owns hotels and what not). They also own high tier private PC Bang and it has glass tiles with water underneath. 99.99% of PC bangs aren't like that.

It's 3AM here. Goodnight.

CaveslothJul 11, 20181 votes

SO IT'S THE CHINESE'S FAULT THEN!!! Jk, very informative post, learned some stuff, much obliged.

LatetotheRaceJul 10, 20181 votes

That was kind of what I was shooting for.

Real Sexy YoonaJul 11, 20189 votes

That was kind of what I was shooting for.

No you weren't. Please, do i need to spell it out for you?

Sorry, the Koreans like this

This statement is a response to the OP's thread which talks about how he wishes that League would return back to being more strategic, less snowbally, and have a higher quality in general. Saying "sorry" hints a disappointment to this wishful thinking and following it by saying "the Koreans like this" ("this" obviously being the shit state of the game that the OP mentioned) is stating that Koreans like League to be less strategic, more snowbally, and have a lower quality- contrary to what the OP wishes for. Which is a false statement.

Sooo we're being dumpstered because of it.

This is a bold statement because you are essentially saying that we (non-Koreans in other servers) are being dumpstered (having the game ruined) because of it ("it" referring to your previous statement of Koreans liking the shitty the state of the game) Roughly translating to: Because the Koreans like the shit state the game is in rn, we are getting screwed over by them because *Riot wants to keep them happy. Which is another false statement.

(*Riot because the Koreans aren't the decision makers. But you attributing them to being the problem behind the state of the game has to suggest Riot being the medium for these changes in the game because they are the decision makers)

Sorry, the Koreans like this. Sooo we're being dumpstered because of it

This is just a false statement in its entirety and has no redemptive values. Game duration is only vaguely implied in the OP's thread and your comment responding to it doesn't even touch or expand on that. So how can you hope that your comment was shooting for Koreans having a shorter game duration in internet cafes.

Making an insensitive comment is understandable to an extent, but turning a blind eye to it after being exposed is self-deluded to say the least.

LatetotheRaceJul 11, 20181 votes

You seem to be pretty triggered mate.

Real Sexy YoonaJul 11, 20188 votes

Irrelevant response but I'll respond regardless.

Perhaps I am triggered. Being a Korean myself, imagine finding these upvoted comments that throws the blame on your people, calling ALL of them racist, having a crappy attitude, having a superiority complex, and ending their games short because they are easily angered without any sort of evidence behind their claims.

Even if I wasn't Korean it would be disturbing to read. Sadly, it's cancerous because I happen to be Korean living in Korea rn and know how false these upvoted comments are. Like I said before,

people need to start understanding that it can be very rude misinterpreting and boldly expanding on a small piece of information you think you know about a culture when you don't.

LatetotheRaceJul 11, 20181 votes

"Perhaps I am triggered" "Being a Korean myself" "calling ALL of them racist" "Even if I wasn't Korean it would be disturbing to read." Calm the hell down dude, don't take life so god damn serious. It's no secret that the Korean and to a larger extent Eastern game scene is vastly different from the western Scene. Not only that, but it is no secret either that they often destroy games with the differentiation in attitude towards games, and gaming in general. Don't act all shocked and appalled by everything you read, and try and extend a blank statement onto every faucet of your life.

What I said wasn't racist, it's wasn't offensive, nor should it have been "disturbing to read." I get you're triggered, I get you're insane, and that's fine. But BUT BUUUT don't go rant about it for literally no other reason than the fact that you think you've been deeply wronged.

My comment didn't matter. It was posted as a passing joke/gesture, and if you took deep offense to it, I'm NOT sorry. Grow a thicker set of skin and grow up.

Real Sexy YoonaJul 11, 20185 votes

I'm fine dude. I don't take advice from self-deluded people.

It's no secret that the Korean and to a larger extent Eastern game scene is vastly different from the western Scene

If it's no secret how are you so clueless? Why are people like you unable to grasp a concept that's apparently "no secret".

Not only that, but it is no secret either that they often destroy games with the differentiation in attitude towards games, and gaming in general

Based on what? stating clueless things again? seems to be a trend for you

Don't act all shocked and appalled by everything you read, and try and extend a blank statement onto every faucet of your life.

I don't. You don't find my comments in every idiotic thread that state false things about Korea.

What I said wasn't racist, it's wasn't offensive, nor should it have been "disturbing to read." I get you're triggered, I get you're insane, and that's fine. But BUT BUUUT don't go rant about it for literally no other reason than the fact that you think you've been deeply wronged.

My comment didn't matter. It was posted as a passing joke/gesture, and if you took deep offense to it, I'm NOT sorry. Grow a thicker set of skin and grow up.

The thing with ignorant assholes is that they decide whether what they said was offensive or not- hilarious. I've lived in 4 different continents, and I learned that respecting a culture and their values is crucial. Or maybe I should just take advice from you lol. And you are right, mabye I am becoming insane because I'm losing IQ every time I read a retarded comment like yours.

However, I don't feel wronged whenever I read these false comments made by insensitive people. Why on earth would I take what these people say to heart? The lack of intelligence is triggering, not because I find their input valuable or persuasive. I do post threads for other people to read and understand a culture they are unfamiliar with and clear up misunderstandings- not because I'm offended. Why would you think that I am? Not everyone thinks like you.

I don't want or need your apology. Often times, the value of words is decided by the person who speaks it. Which is why I definitely don't want anything from you lol.

It was posted as a passing joke/gesture

You mean this?

That was kind of what I was shooting for.

Of all the things you said, this one has the most value in terms of comedic idiocy.

Ezreal SupportJul 11, 20184 votes

LMAO just stop digging your own grave. You went from posting a stupid comment, to defending the integrity of that comment, then abandoning the comment, then saying that it was a joke all long, and then attacking the dude who exposed you with points that are off topic and garbage.

You remind me of Joe Weller in his match against KSI. Just stop XD [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Promising GardenJul 10, 20181 votes

I’ve heard similar misinformation, and nearly recited it to my Chinese friend, after he had been bitching about the current meta.

“This is because of Riot being owned by China and catering to...oh... just, never mind >_>.”

GigglesOJul 10, 201810 votes

[{quoted}](name=KING XXXI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HWAzMz85,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-07-09T21:09:24.135+0000)

it's whoever shoots first.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/018/822/2ab.jpg

Whats that you say?

Ayame IsakiJul 10, 20181 votes

That's fantastic.

[sg-lux]

AirKingNeoJul 10, 20186 votes

Ghostcrawler and Meddler misunderstand what makes the game enjoyable.

/thread

ChalzeJul 10, 20186 votes

LCS = Long-term Macroplay

LC$ = $hort-term Microplay

ChargeItDownMidJul 10, 20185 votes

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Bob the ToastrJul 10, 201811 votes

Pretty sure a rioter said recently that they refuse to buff turrets because a 5 game match can get too long for the viewing audience. Literally balancing a game for millions of people based on .001% of players.

SplitgripsJul 10, 20186 votes

"New player experience"

Automated RivenJul 11, 20184 votes

Ya. They don't know shit about what's too long tbh. I watch the 5 hour streams of Starcraft 2 because I enjoy watching games of skill. Not the bullshit that LCS is now.

BarcidJul 11, 20185 votes

I mean, if you want actual physical proof of the moronic nature of making the game "flashier":

Season 5: Highest amount of views on record for LCS, leading to an article by several sports networks about the potential rise of e-sports as a major event.

Also Season 5: exact opposite meta to current League.

It doesn't take a genius to tell that either these guys are morons or they're legitimately only serving the cyber-cafe casual market. There's really no hiding their intent; pro-play is almost certainly a side-note at this point.

JanakinJul 10, 20184 votes

Seriously Ghostcrawler and Meddler, go watch old videos of league and see what you've done.

Malix FarwinJul 10, 20183 votes

I do not think you guys are looking at it in their point of view. Players are always getting smarter and better each year and i am not sure it is entirely because of the balance team but in part because players are finding smarter/easier ways to handle things. They have to be extremely careful in balancing because meta shifts happen quick and easy. i mean it wasn't not too long ago we hard a meta where people just took Heal and Barrier and afk'd farmed.

OnlyYouCanHearMeJul 10, 20184 votes

If you say the players are better, why they don't play on live patch like the rest? If they are 'pro' it means they are the best and can play on live patch, not 1-2 patches behind. I am not watching LCS or LCK because they don't play on the live patch, so I can learn something and implement in my games.

TerozuJul 10, 20186 votes

They play behind for stability.

To avoid game breaking bugs.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 10, 20181 votes

is that the new excuse? Before that it was because they don't have time to adjust then.

Real Sexy YoonaJul 10, 20183 votes

Was it 2016 when Rox Tigers played SKT in the semi finals at worlds? The entire series was so hype and fun to watch. I think it was the same year Smeb was a part of Rox Tigers and made one of the most iconic kennen ults in League History against G2. I think the game was in a healthier state then. Worlds the following year was plagued with Arden Censor + Kogmaw (still salty that WE beat C9) and now we have faker picking taric and Jankos going braum. Wtf has this game become.

As a side note, I hate gold funneling. It looks pathetic when you fail and unimpressive if you succeed. Four item Kaisa mowing down people that are 10 minutes behind her in terms of cs and gold is so brain dead.

remakoroJul 10, 20181 votes

I remember that ult. I still cry every time when i see AD kennen in the game. Especially on my team. You look at his builds and you get flashbacks of that great AP kennen ult. And all other great AP kennen game changing ults you had to experience yourself. And then you cant stop your tears.

saltranJul 11, 20181 votes

Smeb (as a KT player now) also did an amazing Kennen ultimate on RiftRivals against a LMS team, it was really sad that KT won all games on Rift Rivals and yet they lost.

WøOxerJul 10, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=KING XXXI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HWAzMz85,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-07-09T21:09:24.135+0000)

Pro-play used to put you on edge because the game was centered around playing smart and strategic. Each team had the potential to play it smarter than their opponents and make a comeback.

Now I turn off games sub ~10 minutes because the outcome is basically decided by then, there really is no point in watching beyond that. Games are no longer strategic battles, it's whoever shoots first. It's basically turned into CS:GO.

Ghostcrawler, Meddler, you're misinterpreting the game, it's a strategy MOBA, not a twitch shooter.

How u can even compare two different genres?

CS:GO has way different mechanics compared to League of legends.

FrozenDeath14Jul 10, 20181 votes

Nah for the most part in this eason league was about Hovering your mouse and rightclicking. Thats almost the same as in CS but they click the left button LOL. Also cs is about peeking and picking off. League is litterally who sees first wins. Even Cod has more chances of a comeback after you get shot first.

TobykachuJul 10, 20181 votes

Tbh I think they know exactly how to make pro play exciting. Remember last year when games where just afk farming and waiting until one team made a mistake and basically winning from there? People complained about that too. So they made games much faster paced and more decisive early. They nerfed the champions that were able to just sit in lane and wave clear, whilst also buffing assassins.

The main problem is, what makes pro play 'exciting' is also what makes solo queue a miserable experience. Pro players picking Riven, Zed, Yasuo and other "exciting" champions every game means that they will also become even more played in solo queue than they already are and in turn making these typically frustrating champions to play against even more of a problem than they already are.

Linna ExcelJul 10, 20181 votes

I can't help but think that Overwatch was the worst thing to happen to league only because riot wants the quick gameplay of overwatch, but they don't want to do things like get rid of items and levels.

5050BSJul 10, 20181 votes

100% Combacks only happen if your team has a Hypercarry that gets the gold for the power spike and the team supports them just a little (assuming the enemy team does not also have a Hypercarry, if so then you are SOL you lost)

The game is in such a bad state. Riot really needs to move fast and with some brains to safe the game.

Douglas FunnieJul 10, 20181 votes

You can thank Riot for implementing the casual friendly "Runes Reforged" system. Runes Reforged was designed for low skilled players to have opportunities to out damage higher skilled players with overloaded runes, overpowered runes, and overpowered champions with RNG elements tossed in.

Have you ever noticed horrible players from earlier seasons are all of the sudden really good at the game? Yeah, that's Riot philosophy at the moment. They like to hold player's hand.

Experienced veteran players that spent hours/days/months/years of practicing from earlier seasons now have to deal with low skilled players that can easily one shot them. There's no skill gap and strategy anymore. It's all about brute force and RNG.

Sad.

Yordle XayahJul 10, 20181 votes

Unless you play Twitch as a shooter heh

My Waifu VanillaJul 11, 20181 votes

If you lost for the first 10 minutes why do you feel entitled to still win? I don't get it. The enemy team already proved to be better than you. Not all games have to be winnable I'm sorry so I will disagree. Are games too snowbally....debateably so (it is a subjective opinion), but if a team is up like 5k gold at 10 minutes the game is arguably over and you already proved that you were the "worse" team.

LegitBusinessmanJul 11, 20184 votes

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If you lost for the first 10 minutes why do you feel entitled to still win? I don't get it. The enemy team already proved to be better than you. Not all games have to be winnable I'm sorry so I will disagree. Are games too snowbally....debateably so (it is a subjective opinion), but if a team is up like 5k gold at 10 minutes the game is arguably over and you already proved that you were the "worse" team.

This is not how the game has ever been. You pick an early game champ for a strategic advantage early. You are EXPECTED to be ahead with a lane bully. The impetus is now on you to do something with the advantage you should have. Time is against you. That's the point. Why do they feel entitled to win? Because they made a strategic decision to pick a scaling teamfight comp.

You're basically saying that if you pick a lane bully champ against a scaling teamfighter and you win lane (Which should be easy to do, and is EXPECTED for that to happen) you should just automatically win the game.

The reward for being ahead early isn't that you just get to win and I don't understand why people think that. It's that you get first tower, vision control over objectives, probably item leads, ability to roam, your job is to take those advantages and press them to a win. Just like it's up to the scaling comp to play smart, play safe, don't get picked, and play defensively until you're stronger.

If you pick lane bullies and go up two towers and a few kills and once the map opens up you get picked and play like a bunch of apes, you should not win despite the fact that you are ahead. Your champ picks gave you advantages, you failed to do anything with it. You shouldn't be rewarded for that. If you got ahead with an early game comp and turned it into a bunch of picks cause they have no vision, turned it into a baron, and played aggressively with your advantage, THEN you deserve to win.

If you picked a scaling comp and took stupid fights in lane and fed, you should probably end up losing. If you played smart, kept up in farm, waited for jung pressure, didn't get picked, played smart around vision, and didn't give the early-mid game comp an opportunity to press their advantage, you deserve to win.

StillnameJul 11, 20181 votes

I know I am getting tunnel visioned on a meaningless part of the post but CS:GO has a ton of strategy... you think people have been playing counter strike for decades because they like shooting the other guy before he shoots you?