Season 8: The Death of Vision

Most of the things OP is saying are bad about Vision happened back then. Hell, I stopped playing back when control wards were just becoming a thing. That was S6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dCM1qfCJnk

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They reduced the amount of Control wards you can carry by 1 (Down from 3) and Trinket Ward duration has been reduced by 60 seconds (Wards last 2 minutes instead of 3 minutes).

What this is going to do is encourage people to actually play safe & not be as reckless. Junglers will benefit off this as lanes won't be warded as much, meaning they can gank more frequently. Completing the Support quests should be the supports top priority in Botlane (if it wasn't a top priority already) as it gives them the ability to provide more vision on the map. People are also even more prone to "getting caught out" mid-late game as Trinket wards won't last as long & you'll have to rely on the Control Wards & your Support for vision on the map.

they did that in season 6, i think. You couldn't place more than 1 pinkward, but you could buy 3 - 5.

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They reduced the amount of Control wards you can carry by 1 (Down from 3) and Trinket Ward duration has been reduced by 60 seconds (Wards last 2 minutes instead of 3 minutes).

What this is going to do is encourage people to actually play safe & not be as reckless. Junglers will benefit off this as lanes won't be warded as much, meaning they can gank more frequently. Completing the Support quests should be the supports top priority in Botlane (if it wasn't a top priority already) as it gives them the ability to provide more vision on the map. People are also even more prone to "getting caught out" mid-late game as Trinket wards won't last as long & you'll have to rely on the Control Wards & your Support for vision on the map.

Think about the implications of this though.

If laners are playing safer due to lack of vision, are junglers really going to benefit?

And do we really want junglers sitting in bushes 24x7, forcing playstyles where both the enemies sit wayyy back and hatch eggs until the jungler shows his face somewhere on the minimap?

Supports being able to show skill expression by warding is nice, but I feel they can already do that very well. Nerfing trinkets won't help differentiate a good support from a bad one, more than the current system already does.

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What this is going to do is encourage people to actually play safe & not be as reckless. People are also even more prone to "getting caught out"

Well, this is certainly going to make it easier to get caught out, but ask yourself: is that going to affect playstyle, or is it going to affect champion viability?

Consider the scuttle changes. It seriously hampered junglers who could not contest river 100% of the time. Do you think the inability to face check bushes might also hamper certain roles?

How SKT wins without reliable engage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeevhumAE-M

With damage and CC being through the roof, and vision being low, do you foresee a world where these team comps, and this gameplay, ever exists again? How many statements follow "After seeing __ with a ward" Who knows if the game is actually better or worse depending, but it should be regarded with some value.

In any RTS, scouting is one of the highest focal points of managing your combat resources. There's the macro, resource generating aspect, the micro unit management scale when you are in combat, but between those two points, you need to be able to find ways to put it to use. If you can't gather information without losing the game, the game straight devolves into "omg jg difference, win lane win game"

It's one thing to say "back when supports only bought inventories full of wards and were oracle bots" it was boring, but how is this not counter-boring? There is no tactics or outwitting somebody sitting on control wards, if they are more powerful than you and baron is up, you've lost the game.

THEY SAY IT DONT BE LIKE THAT BUT IT DO

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Junglers will benefit off this as lanes won't be warded as much, meaning they can gank more frequently.

No, junglers won't benefit from this. This means that jungle babysitting instead of actually jungling will be even more mandatory than it already is, and it further pushes out jungle champs that aren't hyper aggressive. I queued jungle so that I could jungle, not clear 2 camps and then pitch a tent in a lane with my Hunter's Machete.

Yeah they aren't gonna do that, they want more kills, more flashy one shots, and more snowball not less. If you think riots gonna improve anything next season you haven't been paying close enough attention.

No, no its not.

The map is too large. There are so many ways to gank a lane. There is no reason to validate nerfing vision even further.

I like how all the buthurt silver players downvoting every comment that says it's better to balance around higher Elo than lower Elo. Boards is 90% cry-threads from hardstucks in lower Elos.

Often I see toplaners pushing like maniacs without placing their wards anyway and then blaming their Jungler when the enemy Jungler camps them because they are such easy targets.

If you don't wanna evolve and stay in your little comfortzone maybe play Heroes of the Storm instead.

enchanter supps are cancer, good riddance.

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Lets's not forget that they made certain champions to be invisible even with control wards.

That was never a bad change tho. Being able to just bork a champs invis with a 75g item was always dumb.

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What if they just gave pink wards camo like pyke w or rengar ult?

thats an interesting idea.

I dunno when they rolled out the stealth update but it's probably in relation to that. Pinks would show shaco, twitch in his true stealth, and a rengar who ulted.