Please nerf Spear of Shojin or remove it from the game

Juice·10/7/2019, 9:58:41 PM·82 votes·18,289 views

In my opinion, this item is fundamentally broken. It gives way too much power to the user depending on the situation.

I am a Renekton main and I refuse to build that item on him because in 50% of scenarios it will completely break my champ, and in other 50% of scenarios it will be completely useless.

This is not a healthy design item, not when the power swing is this huge and doesn't really depend on me but rather the enemy and the situation.

This item is against the basic principles of League of Legends where gold = power, and can lead to horrible situations breaking multiple champions.

I am 100% supporting this item's removal in Season 10, I don't think many people will miss it at all. Buff the champions most hurt by it's removal

51 Comments

ExplodingFist6610/7/2019, 10:36:39 PM22 votes

Remove the whole cooldown reducing basic attacks shenanigan. This mechanic is nowhere near healthy when so many items have CDR acquired with them. They should bring back the bruiser passive, which gave flat damage reduction based on bonus AD on an individual passive and active component. Not going to spread any false claims, but damage reduction is the last form of defensive stat in the game that is not available to any champion, and is a saving grace to the current meta revolving around 'one shot or be one shotted'. This revision of SOJ will not be totally broken, if so much true damage exists in the game right now, there should be no issue with counter play.

On a side note, if they ever decide to bring this back in Season 10 or so, then I'd highly suggest they work around how it functions on ranged champions, because that could be a potential balance issue.

If you try to argue with "bruisers won't take damage than!!!!" then please tell me why you enjoy playing versus Riven and Jax with 0 cool downs?

It used to be:

+60 Attack Damage +200 Health +10% Cooldown Reduction **UNIQUE Passive ** Reduces damage from champion attacks and abilities by 20 (+10% bonus AD), capped at 70. UNIQUE Passive While within 500-units of at least 3 enemy champions, use a basic attack to trigger active passive (90 second cooldown). UNIQUE Passive- Dragon Heart For 6 seconds, blocks 200% more damage, for a total of 60 (+ 30% bonus AD). The duration refreshes on takedowns (kills and assists).

Only thing I'd change here are the scalings, increase them a bit, and maybe add a health ratio (like 1-2% bonus HP).

Keiaga10/7/2019, 10:04:26 PM8 votes

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I am a Renekton main and I refuse to build that item on him because in 50% of scenarios it will completely break my champ, and in other 50% of scenarios it will be completely useless.

That doesn't seem right. Spirit of Shojin works well on any champ that can use their ult at the beginning of the fight and weaves together a lot of autos with their skills. Renekton is definitely one of those champs so how is it "useless" half the time?

And no, "not being able to get off auto attacks because the other champ runs away or uses CC" doesn't really count as Shojin being useless.

SammyDayspring10/8/2019, 4:24:10 AM7 votes

It's a terrible item that is OP on only a few champions. It doesn't belong in the game because there is no counter-play. Lethality blows ups squishies but is bad against high armor. Armor pen lower high armor tanks but doesn't work as well against squishies. These are choices you can make in the game that increase the level of strategy required. What does Shojin have? You can't even wait it out because all the champs it is good on have gap closing and stun abilities. Buy it first and get ridiculous cooldowns for just ulting and diving in. Riot makes so many poor design choices. What an embarrassment.

ModAcademy Kayn10/8/2019, 7:47:48 AM7 votes

It'll be getting work done on it on Preseason, so unfortunately it's at a SoonTM state atm.

Thilmer10/8/2019, 10:06:59 AM6 votes

Riot removed Atma's Impaler because only two champions could use it, later removed Will of the Ancients because "only a few champions use it and Vlad abuses it", and a couple seasons later "hey, let's make an item that is broken in Jax and Riven and borderline useless in any other champion".

It seems they don't know what to do with niche items.

Charmy Bird10/8/2019, 7:27:10 AM4 votes

I'm a Jax player and shojin compelitely breaks him, the only thing Jax had that didn't make him batshit broken was high cd on his e which made u kinda choose when to use his e but with shojin u can just smash your keyboard and have your e all the time

Ilovemobas10/8/2019, 5:16:22 PM3 votes

I could see jax being a balanced champion with outplay options again should this item be removed. I support your opinion.

Saezio10/8/2019, 10:35:56 AM3 votes

Revert it to what it was. It used to grant tankiness before riot decided to maintain the old essence reaver passive for fuck knows what reason.

Kídá10/8/2019, 3:43:01 PM3 votes

I refuse to build that item on him

In your last 8 renekton games you built it half the time...you sir just lied...

In all seriousness, I just hate that insane CDR it gives with the passive

Lovelle10/8/2019, 3:42:04 PM2 votes

Yeah it's a completely unnecessary item. I see no reason why we can't have better pure health options in the game when items like this exist, or even an attack speed+armor item for melee auto-attackers. The game could desperately use another Kindlegem upgrade for tanky champions, that doesn't have damage attached to it.

Both AD and AP casters seem to get everything on a silver platter these days when it comes to itemization and runes. Everyone else pretty much just has to take what they can get.

Hi im 1210/8/2019, 12:06:39 AM2 votes

This is not a healthy design item, not when the power swing is this huge and doesn't really depend on me but rather the enemy and the situation.

and here I thought you were supposed to build items that work against the enemy and in the situation not just go the same shit every game

The King Diamond10/8/2019, 3:35:00 AM2 votes

I love that Item. Its broken and gives a lot of fun on some champions. I dont mean Riven Rene etc. but some unsuall picks. Yeah, hate me. I can understand this actually lol

Small Boobs Ahri10/8/2019, 12:15:20 PM2 votes

Everyone complains about the Spear of Shojin but there is exactly the same problem with the gunblade, totally useless for 99% of the champions but completely broken on 2 champions, an item that puts 450 of damage in point and click I find it absurd

GhettoPitLord10/8/2019, 2:10:47 PM1 votes

Broken, not rly, efficient for jax (who is late game supper carry) yes..(and Riven should be nerfed its not rly the item).Riot should change the item to be usefull on more heroes not less. However SoS is nothing compared to the AP item madness...

Romans VI XXIII10/8/2019, 12:24:07 PM1 votes

Remove the CDR and change the passive back to what it originally was on PBE/Clash. Where you gained stackable damage reduction based off AD while in combat I beleive.

Yääto10/8/2019, 6:04:31 PM1 votes

Idk why people still think Riven is a spear abuser... that item is mediocre at best on her as she's one of the few champions out of most abusers who doesn't have auto reset mechanics. Lmao.

LatetotheRace10/8/2019, 9:57:07 PM1 votes

No, no buffs. They didn't need buffs before the items releases, in fact I would argue that the main abusers could use nerfs to bring them back to a safe level again.

oWgUUpton10/8/2019, 10:33:33 PM1 votes

Not til they remove zhonyas

ChiefDovahkin10/8/2019, 11:24:02 PM1 votes

Can we make it even remotely useful on more than 2 champions for a while first?

I say Facts10/8/2019, 11:28:38 PM1 votes

Well, It's not really that broken in terms of power. What is really strong about it is that you can have a bonus attack speed after you use your ultimate. Which means, if your ultimate is on cooldown, then it's only a flat of health and attack damage. I wouldn't say removing it is a good idea, I am a tank main and I don't even build it, but I never had a trouble playing against champions with Spear of Shojin. In fact, I have troubles against the adc items when the marksmen can have highest movement speed and auto you to death in no time.

NOTE: My only suggestion for Riot is reducing the cooldown from 20% to 10%. Other than that, we have no point in arguing against this item at all.

Fabton10/8/2019, 11:32:49 PM1 votes

Riot have already stated in the preseason shojin gonna be reworked, they know its a problem its just they don't want to do any big changes like item reworks in the middle of the season anymore because of past bad experiences.

Doidinhe10/9/2019, 3:00:34 PM1 votes

I'm actually surprised a Renekton main posted this. I played a game vs a Renekton like 2 days ago and he was fed af and with SoS. He could literally stun you every 2 seconds. Stupid design. Same thing probably happens with Jax, he will most likely be spamming E when he ults because the whole CD thing on your autos is just dumb

Fat Scat Rat10/9/2019, 3:21:32 PM1 votes

Spear breaks jax.

Jax can literally build full damage while being tanky as hell. As long as hes hitting some one with ult on he can almost PERMA E. Best way ( and sometimes the only way) to deal with tanky champions, is to have solid dps like an adc who usually auto atta- oh...hope your team picked brand or cass, or good luck.

Oh yea the full damage jax three/four shots adcs btw (yes its true 4 autos, i will do the math in this chat).... And dps's everyone else super fast. If hes not hitting the adcs hes wacking some one else and getting a lower E CD.... You could be a full built adc he still aint going down quickly.

"Oh just kite back", hmm that stun though, I'm not even going to talk about what spear does to his Q cool down because ill quit this game if i think about it.

If he flanks you with flash no amount of supports with 40% cdr and exhausts are going to keep you alive, no amount of vayne tumbles or cleanses. And god forbid his team is actually fighting with him.

Summoner SpeII10/9/2019, 3:26:19 PM1 votes

u want to remove an item that gives the right to good players to 1v9?

Ilovemobas10/29/2019, 10:29:42 PM1 votes

Your wish has been granted for season 10 my good lad. No more spear