KAYLE
She's like pre-rework Sion, a very old champion whose kit is just kind of a mishmash of abilities that don't follow a cohesive theme
She's nothing but point-and-click, so boring as fuck to play and to play against
Her ult is a terrible mechanic that doesn't belong in the game as it it now. You know it's coming and there's nothing you can do about it.
SithesisLord7 votesHer ult is a terrible mechanic that doesn't belong in the game as it it now.
Lmao, and Fizz's troll pole does? Vayne having counterplay removed does?
Her ult actually requires proper timing in order to make the most of it. It isn´t just hurr durr press R at any time and survive everything, like Tryndamere's ult is, which, by the way, is a little over double the duration of Kayle's ult.
She's nothing but point-and-click
EVERY CHAMPION IS POINT-AND-CLICK. She has TARGETED abilities. There is a very clear difference between point-and-click and targeted. The former involves well, everything in a match of League. Ward placement is point and click, skillshot casting is point and click. Even editing configs is point and click.
So boring as fuck to play and to play against
I find Kayle fun to play. Fun is quite a subjective term. As for playing against her well, you got Irelia, you got Quinn, you got Pantheon, and if played right, you have Riven.
She isn´t receiving a VGU for quite a while, as there are quite the amount of champions ahead of her. And as Riot stated, they won´t update her without doing stuff to Morgana, since their lore is basically the same, but from different perspectives and with different outcomes. If it happens next year, it will most likely be near the end of the year.
an actual dog1 votesHer ult actually requires proper timing in order to make the most of it.
Assassin jumps on a squishy ally, you press R on squishy ally Wowowow insane timing skills You know what similar ability ACTUALLY requires timing? Taric's ult. It doesn't actually do anything for 2.5 seconds.
Fun is quite a subjective term
Lol the entire idea of game design is to figure out what people find fun. So no it isn't subjective.
AirKingNeo2 votesGoing off with SithesisLord here, not every champion has to have skillshots. Kayle is all point click and that isn't a problem. Not everyone wants to be a "Challenger" Riven main who can do 100+ combos (despite only ever needing like 5) and bragging about how much skill your champion takes.
Kayle doesn't have lifesteal like other attack speed marksmen, her ult and W makes up for it. She's supposed to be an anti-burst. Also, you've never played Kayle enough to know if her ult takes timing skill, have you? So you don't have the right to make baseless conjecture.
Fun is very subjective. I find Kayle fun, you don't. That's a perfect example of fun being subjective. If you don't find playing Kayle fun, don't play her.
Worst part about this thread is you only made it because you lost to Kayle in ARAM twice. The Kayle didn't even have a good score and the second Kayle's build was an atrocity.
Meep Man2 votesLmao, and Fizz's troll pole does? Vayne having counterplay removed does?
Her ult actually requires proper timing in order to make the most of it. It isn´t just hurr durr press R at any time and survive everything, like Tryndamere's ult is, which, by the way, is a little over double the duration of Kayle's ult.
Sorry, I just... couldn't take your seriously after that. Comparing Tryndamere's ult, Fizz's E, and Vayne's Q (I guess) to Kayle's R is completely and utter bullcrap. Kayle's R trumps all of those due to the fact that IT CAN BE APPLIED TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN HERSELF! (and nullifies all damage, not preventing death) Now, Kayle being all point and click is fine. But... her ultimate, I have to agree, in it's current form, is SO GAME WARPINGLY STRONG that everything else in her kit except her damage has to be absolutely AWFUL to compensate. The ONLY reason she is allowed to have damage is so that she isn't entirely reliant on her team to win. In every other way though, she is pitiful.
GULAG 4 U1 votesexcept tryndamere's also takes reaction time to use properly.
VoidStaresBack2 votesKayle is a marksman: by nature her damage is mostly going to come from autoattacks. She actually has only one targeted offensive ability, two targeted defensive abilities (abilities that are almost always targeted anyways), and her self-buff. Her kit is actually a cohesive self-reliant marksman kit, with tools for kiting (Q and W) survival (R) and fighting (E), along with her passive which allows her to inflict more damage as a fight goes on.
That being said, she is going to be reworked eventually, but she's nowhere near as bad off as many champions are. Her ult, while likely a target of change, is not a particularly bad ability: the target can still be CC'd, its duration is rather short (half the time of a Tryndamere ultimate, to use an example, and doesn't surpass Taric's ultimate until its third rank) and single-target, and in exchange is instant-cast. As much as you complained to the other responder about "lol such skill" Kayle defending a squishy from an assassin means that she now can't defend anyone else from the burst mage about to unload a full combo on them. Using her ultimate in teamfights is an exercise in reading the situation and choosing the right time, as a poorly used or preemptive ultimate can doom an ally who truly needed it down the line.
AninLegions7772 votesDude, by your logic, Tryndamere is the next. You require no brain cells to use that champ. At least with Kayle you learn how to orbwalk. Tryn is just "Walk up and crit you to death while I'm 1 hp".
Friendly Ram1 votesshe isn't as bad as some others(urgot) but i hope she at least is part of a class update next year.
AirKingNeo1 votesShe doesn't even need a rework. The guy is just salty he lost 2 aram games.