It doesn't matter how far behind we are, I almost never see a surrender vote pass in ranked. When the enemy team is 20 kills and 5 towers ahead of you, just accept the loss and move on. Dragging out a game you only have a small chance of winning is just not efficient use of your time, when instead you could be starting fresh with a new game. Not to mention staying longer in a losing game will just tilt you more.
Just to play the devil's advocate here.
Playing from a losing position, even with perfect awareness your chance of victory is next-to-none at best, can be a learning experience. I know players whom, in such situations, stop playing to win and start playing to learn.
"Oh hey enemy team has a syndra, let's see how consistently I can dodge her Q"
"Oh hey they're 50 kills ahead and at baron. I'm gonna go try to steal it."
"This stupid Yasuo isn't following up on my Malphite ults, but this is as good a chance as any to see if I can't find opportunities to hit all five of them."
"Well we're screwed, but they're playing for kills at this point. I wonder how hard it would be to avoid them if I got their attention by splitpushing hard."
A few among countless possibilities. And if absolutely nothing else, they may just be hoping someone on the enemy team has to afk so they can potentially turn it around 4v5
I agree so much, but not everyone likes to play using their time efficiently. Some people will hold onto the hope as long as they can, and some people are just too stubborn to admit defeat until you stab them in the eyeball with it.
The biggest issue I have with this is, when people want to just admit defeat and surrender, and three people say no, unless they think they can carry the game they are pretty much assured to lose because you have two people who mentally are no longer committed to that game, at best, and at worst they either leave or troll til the inevitable loss. Once there is a surrender vote, your chances of winning drop significantly for each person who hits yea.
Absolutely dislike 20 min rule. And it's even worse when some loser who is feeding whole time refuses to surrender and forces other 3 players to pretend playing. They really should review these repulsive rules of the game. If people wants to play - let them play but why artificially force them to play when majority don't want it ?
What bothers me more is normals, ive had games that were literally 4v5 with the enemy more then double the Kills and still no FF in normal games.
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It doesn't matter how far behind we are, I almost never see a surrender vote pass in ranked. When the enemy team is 20 kills and 5 towers ahead of you, just accept the loss and move on. Dragging out a game you only have a small chance of winning is just not efficient use of your time, when instead you could be starting fresh with a new game. Not to mention staying longer in a losing game will just tilt you more.
Because they are far better people than you.
What about teams that simply refuse to use the remake feature?
Have you ever played a game where you're insanely far ahead, yet the enemy manage to drag it out, then one person on your team makes a huge mistake and the enemy team end up winning?
Or one where you're insanely far ahead and one of your teammates disconnects for the rest of the game, and you lose because you're not quite far enough ahead to win 4v5?
These kind of scenarios are fairly common, especially in lower ELOs.
That's one major reason why people won't surrender. People throw so much that the game often isn't over even if it appears to be.
The other reason, as others have said, is that you should also be also playing to get better. You can still get better by playing a game where you are losing - in fact, you can learn about playing from behind, which you won't be able to do in a game where you are winning. One of the most common mistakes I've seen in low-medium ELO is people who don't know how to play properly when behind.
Yeah I hate people like that. They need a option to report people for "wasting teams time" Since I stopped being toxic and don't want to be banned anymore I cannot afk like I usually would which would be a lot.... Sadly I miss those days. I just tell them stop living in fairy tale land.
unless i'm an immobile melee vs a high range champ, i never surrender because i enjoy the game
Because you can close out the game with a single teamfight lategame. And by then lead means nothing. So the best teamfight comp not early game cheese wins.
Don't get cheesed. Don't surrender.
I've had games where it seemed hopeless but the enemy got too greedy and we took baron for the win. I've had games that have us stomping the enemy until my team gets too greedy and then the reverse happens. These are reasons for why a game is never over until it's over.
But then you have those other games. The games where your top laner goes 3/12 by 20 min because they simply will not stop trying to fight someone who is a 1000+ gold over them. The games where your support D/Ced 5 min into the match and your ADC got destroyed beyond salvation in lane. These games are the "lost causes". The games where you're so far behind that the enemy team is holding a dance party in your ruined base for fun. If you hit "No" in these kinds of games, even if by some miracle you win, you're still making everyone else on your team lose by forcing them to endure a horrible one sided ass kicking for who knows how long.
Keep playing for sake of other team -- its a ton of fun to be ahead, and I personally hate when the other team surrenders when I'm winning.
I'd say it's elo dependent. Down here in silver, throws are very, very common. Even when the enemy team is way ahead.
I'm generally hesitant to surrender because I know that my opponents are probably dumb enough to leave an opening for a win, provided my team is willing to take it.
firstly it is hard to actually say when you can't win and when you can you all saw a multiple surrendering votes which didn't pass and then that game was won, people who started them might be tilted but usually they likely honestly believed the game was lost. so refusing to surrender at all or to a certain dire limit will improve your chance to win somehow
secondly, while it is not very fun, prolonging losing games might be efficient to grind ip because you will get more ip than for a surrender at 20, and starting a new draft/ranked game takes quite a while
thirdly, playing with a disadvantage improves your skills...
I never surrender. Ever.
Odin hates a fuckin' coward.
Some champions just need to hit level 16 or grab that last big item to become a terror and turn the game around. A change in team behavior can also work wonders.
Forfeiting is for losers as far as ranked is concerned.
It depend on matchups, even when your team is behind, or far behind it is still soloQ....they will make mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes make comback chances for your team to grab.
I only surrender if we have an afk or they have gotten all our inhibs without us getting tier 2 towers
If there's a toxic person on my team i purposely don't surrender because passive-aggressiveness.
I know some streamers like Tobias fate never surrender because it takes so goddamn long to get a game at high ELo they'd rather just play it out and enjoy it.
Goonies Never Say Die!
Guess you've never had a comeback game? Hence your rank.
If I FF'd every time my team was behind, I'd be Bronze/Silver.
Although I do find this sometimes annoying, I think that whenever you are playing the game you are gaining experience, which implies that there is not really any time wasted when looking at it from a learning experience.
Along with that, when you surrender or just accept defeat then you just completely give up the chance for a comeback, which is a very real possibility as it has happened to me many times before, especially with a hard-scaling champion... and everyone finds a good comeback seriously fun, unless you are the enemy. That's just me though
