Vayne is an absolute disgusting example for a tank killing adc and should get a rework...

Mannny··5 votes·1,601 views

Vayne has always, ALWAYS been an issue. Her outrageously horrid kit and disgusting damage makes her one of the most hated champs in the game for a reason. Let's look at some of vaynes perks as a late game, assassin, tank killing ADC and some of her downfalls.

Pros:

  • Can assassinate tanks as if they had no armor
  • Can assassinate squishies as if they had no armor
  • Can peel for herself
  • Wonderful Late game
  • Wonderful Teamfight
  • Wonderful 1v1 potential
  • Has a reposition on a 2 second cooldown with an invisibility

Cons:

  • Mediocre early game
  • "short" range
  • High skill cap
  • Fairly squishy compared to other ADCs

Now that I've stated most of the pros and cons of Vayne, I'm going to tell you why I believe she needs a rework.

  1. Vayne provides 2 things that were supposed to be essential for her: Tank killing, and a good late game. These things were intended to be her main perks at the cost of her "very bad" early game. The problem with this is that having to sacrifice early game for late is very very dangerous. A good example of a bad early good late game would be Anivia. She provides good CC and wave clear that requires her to SCALE, I repeat, SCALE into the late game. Vayne on the other hand has 2 things that completely block out this whole "bad early game" that vayne mains keep rambling on about. 1 being that Vayne does not solo lane at all. There will always be another person in that lane, the support, which can sway the tide of the bot lane just as much as an ADC. Pairing vayne up with a offensive peel champion like Leona or a poke heavy support like Zyra that allow her to farm or either pop off in lane is just what Vayne wants to get into that great late game that she really likes. Riot made a huge mistake with vayne by giving her THE BEST LATE GAME OF ANY ADC to date. "But hey who cares if she gets paired up with an offensive support, that's a 1 time thing not every support wants to do that!" That my friend brings me into my next point.

  2. Vayne has a huge, almost scary amount of ways to keep her safe in lane even if she doesn't get the support that enables her. Vayne has an E that peels for herself and protects her from dangerous assassins that attempt to assassinate her. Now it's not new having abilities on ADCs that peel for them, Draven has his E and Tristana has her R but these champions both lack effective, CONSISTANT re-positioning tools. Vayne has a Q that, at max rank, has a under a 2 second cooldown. That's like, old Lucian type of positioning. It doesn't even matter if her range is bad because she has 2 tools that enable her, not to even mention her ult that makes her Invisible. No not the Rengar type of invisible, where you can see if they are near you, PURE INVISIBILITY. This bad early game ADC SURE AS HELL HAS TONS OF TOOLS TO MAKE HER GOOD EARLY GAME. Unless you have 200 IQ you won't know where to land your skillshots. This allows her to stay safe in laning phase and avoid damage from even jungle ganks. Why makes cons on a champion if it doesn't matter because her pros cover those cons? It's like Jhin being immobile but having the range of 2 screens. It doesn't matter if he has no mobility if nobody will ever reach him, just like it doesn't matter if her laning phase is garbage if she has 3 tools that can keep her safe from early game pressure. It makes no sense.

  3. On to my final point, late game is subjective to items and leveling, not time. People forget that late game for a champion is based on items, not once you hit the 30 minute mark. Just because it hit 40 minutes doesn't mean you instantly get powerful, if you are fed that late game goes from 20 minutes. Vayne is what I would call Yasuo in the ADC role. They both have vast kits that cover their bad early game to make them really strong overall. Just like any other champion, Vayne will be strong if fed. Vaynes late game is wayyyyyyy too strong considering the fact that, like I stated earlier, her early game isn't based solely on her but on the support as well. This also brings up a small point I would like to make as to why champions like Graves Jayce Quinn need lethality to assassinate while vayne is sitting here pretty with item 3087 and assassinating just like them while still doing consistant damage in teamfights as a tank killer? That makes no sense, she either assassinates or is a tank killer, but she shouldn't get to be both.

In Conclusion, Vayne provides so much compared to her cons that they literally mean nothing. Vaynes kit allows her to fufill multiple roles like assassinating, tank killing and 1v1ing that she is basically a jack of all trades. What do you guys think about Vayne? Do you think I did well explaining? Tell me what you guys think cause I would love to know.

12 Comments

cardomajig242 votes

I think she definitely needs a rework as she surpasses GP and Vlad levels of lategame carrying but I have no idea what they'd even do with her.

Geshultz2 votes

Actually Gp's lategame carry potential is way better then vaynes due to his ability to engage fights with his ult and AOE crit barrels.

fuffychan2 votes

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I am bad at this game

I agree

Geshultz1 votes

Actually Draven and Tristana do have a way to reset their postioning tools quickly. Tristana's e if she gets it off fully resets her w or if she gets a kill/assist also resets it. For draven him catching his axes resets his w postioning tool. I would also add that another weakness of vayne is really poor waveclear meaning it is rather easy to push her under tower and poke her if shes goes for cs during early game but anyway vayne is still extremely squishy as well meaning aoe burst, targeted cc, targeted burst are hugely effective against her. I would also say that another con is her AD scaling is extremely poor and another pro is best attack speed scaling in the game.

Mannny2 votes

I said consistant. Tristana and Draven need to perform activities in order to get a reset and dravens W is not a repositioning tool as it is used most times to run away or catch up to someone.

Geshultz1 votes

Draven's w is definitely a positioning tool but regardless Tristana's w is also a long range dash compared to vayne's short dash is why it isn't on a longer cooldown. Well that and vayne's dash doesn't go over terrain. Well most other dashes/blinks can go over walls/terrain.

Mannny1 votes

In a fight in early game you would not use draven w to position away from abilities as it is not a quick dash to a target area. Tristana W is used to get closer to people or to get away. No middle ground.(very rarely do I see trist players use it for damage)

Geshultz1 votes

Actually you do want to use it to dodge abilities from the enemy as just picking up an axe refreshes it instantly and dodging an important enemy cc is major down in bot lane. Well, I would also agree that tristana's w is a repostioning tool like vayne's q but is way better for cleanup then vayne's q and also provides cc if used on the enemy and adds a stack of her e charge but regardless they are 2 completely different abilities and vayne's q is basically her bread and butter in terms of being able to survive the enemy team or die instantly.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Vayne is what I would call Yasuo in the ADC role

Balanced but you don't know how to play against her so you call her op?

  • Wonderful Late game
  • Wonderful Teamfight
  • Wonderful 1v1 potential

She's like Yasuo in the way you can't get hit by anything or else you'll just die immediately. Her kit is meant to outplay rather than right click people to death or QWER = free kill.

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

I always thought that she was too safe and that her ''terrible'' early game really isn't that bad. I believe she should be a tank-killing adc. Like there's a few tank on the other team? Pick Vayne and you'll have a massive advantage. But she snowballs so hard into lategame that she can just melt ANYONE whenever she gets a slight lead. She shouldn't get free AD steroid that's on par with a free BF sword on her ult and her Q shouldn't deal 50% bonus damage. I wouldn't even mind if they buffed her true damage further if it meant she'd have reduced base damage, at least she would stop melting everyone so efficiently. Or maybe lower the %health true damage but give it an AD scaling so she doesn't have to just stack attack speed item to demolish EVERYONE.

''But she's so vulnerable to being bursted down!'' Yeah well tell me the name of ONE adc that isn't vulnerable to getting focused and bursted down.

Geshultz1 votes

Urgot and to lesser extent Ezreal

Hige1 votes

She shouldn't get free AD steroid that's on par with a free BF sword on her ult

Why not? O.o it's an ultimate and it doesn't do much alone, the MS and stealth come from enhancing the effects on the rest of her kit

Also, %hp dmg accounts for barely 30% of Vayne's total damage considering that it cannot crit and that it happens every 3 autos

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending Vayne, she needs nerfs but I think they should be focused on her stealth, considering that Vayne needs to Q in order for her stealth to activate you could get a crit to the face for over 500% of her base AD, that's nuts

I would propose these simple changes:

  • Make her Q unable to crit but give her lethality on hit (Like duskblade's passive)
  • Make her ult multiply your MS by a LOT more but ONLY during stealth and reduce stealth duration to either 0.5 or 0.75, maybe even make it scale with level

this would nerf her damage exactly in half and would push her to build heavy AD and probably some CDR

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